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Has to be the taurate. I know for sure that it’s not Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate or the Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate. I’ve used those both separately and they don’t thicken with salt.Why did you eliminate the Betaine? Betaine does thicken with salt : ) -
It is vitamin C. And Kakadu extract darkens too. Everything with vitamin C changes color unless it’s sufficiently protected. Even then, you can only delay oxidation, not prevent or stop it.
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Just saw the picture.
Test slightly heating and mixing it. My guess is that you’ve made some low solubility salts that’s being kicked out… depending on when and how you added the preservative to the formula. Do you lose viscosity?I would also test the ph of your preservative blend, in water.And it would help if you posted the full formula (give ranges for %) and told us at what stage it got cloudy. -
Does the emulsion burn when you wear it without a sheet mask?
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I still don’t understand and the picture doesn’t show up.
Do you mean it didn’t thicken up? Didn’t get viscous? -
Well, shea butter is meant to melt. It’s a butter after all!
Try adding hard waxes. Any hard waxes should work. Try beeswax and go from there. -
How did it become trouble? What happened to it?
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Also, read this:
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Well… that’s partly because this is a formulatory forum. We’re all chemists and product experts here. Not physicians and we can give anyone advice on how to keep anything healthy.You need to consult your physician for that.
I’ve answered your question from a purely formulatory perspective and the specificities of it are information that a chemist can collect from the right sources and understanding the material and the formula. It’s not a black and white answer.As you asked, this goes for silicones and triglycerides. They CAN stay on the skin and they CAN be washed off. It depends on your surfactant system, type of silicones/triglyceride you use, how you formulate your product, etc. -
Many don’t have any moisturizing benefits as they would get washed-off in wash-off products.
Some do have some benefits because they do stick to the skin/hair even during rinse-off.You should read on the classifications of moisturizers by googling “classifications of moisturizers” . -
@Bobzchemist. I think we should make your question a mandatory question for all threads!
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Hi Rosaletta,
Your best bet for finding wholesale suppliers for your location would be to just google it!Manufacturers often purchase directly from the source but I’m assuming you’re looking for small quantities so google “cosmetic ingredient distributors” or “cosmetic ingredient wholesale” and put your location in the search bar too. -
How many unit and for what products?
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First of all welcome!
Second of all, you have my sympathy for losing loved ones to cancer but cosmetics aren’t responsible for that… although the market wants you to believe that!For ingredients that whiten naturally, you’re limited to very few. Google licorice and take it from there. If you’re doing the products yourself you should be able to pull some starter formulas and go from there. -
@David08848. You’ll open a can of worms when you say something like this to a scientific community.“
Yes, we and the Earth are all made up of chemicals but those occur in nature.… It’s when we decide to manipulate these natural chemicals that the possibility of creating something harmful can occur.”This is the same nature that gives us poisons and toxins. Also the same earth who’s nature will 90% of the time kill us if we don’t manipulate it for our use. Artificial manipulation.Humans have what… say 5000 years of documented history on earth? And they’ve all lived an un-artificial, natural life till this this point. They all got to live naturally, un-manipulated to a glorious age of 30.I’d rather live artificially to be 90 than to live a natural life to my 30s.That all said, I love all naturalists and microbead fearing people! They’re awesome for business. -
Can you link a few examples?
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@Biancang: I don’t think your at the correct forum to ask this questions.Most of the participants in this forum are chemists behind the products but not dermatologists. We can give advice based on our experience and that experience does not include medical so it would very wrong of us to provide medical advice!!!
Also, not to mention our opinions are certainly biased towards our brands and personal experiences. -
@Zink. Personally I think a function of an emulsifier, being emulsifying, should be good enough for the skin. Without an emulsifier you will not have a aesthetically prepared creamy medium and you can’t deliver both oil and water simultaneously onto the skin so to me that’s benefit enough.
But if you’re thinking about a way to market every ingredient in your product as beneficial, I’m sure with some creative writing you can pass any emulsifier as a top notch, skin pleasing ingredient! You have to be a tad creative!Now I have a question, what do you mean by “… over time without making you dependent on the product”. If it’s a cosmetic, there shouldn’t be a dependency issue at all. If it’s a drug the dependency doesn’t come from the product, rather from the user’s biology. -
You need to post you formulation with some of the use levels for any of us to give proper advice.
BUT right off the bat, this may be your problem:“I have a natural sulfate free shampoo with quite alot of oils/butters” -
“… you could pick up a commercial product, look at the ingredient list, and know who formulated it)”
@Bobzchemist : One of my earlier mentors told me the exact same thing when I started in the industry and I thought he’s joking. Now 8 years later, I have a 80% hit rate when I call out the formulator from the ingredient list in my country (which isn’t that big, but still!). -
Ok so I see that you’ve done your research here but do you have experience formulating with these at all? I’m asking because all of these are theoretically correct but when you put them together, more often than not you will notice stability issues or suspension issues. For instance, SCI and Iselux are a pain to formulate together (at least for me! Follow the manufacturers how-tos).
Anyhow, the point I want to make is that don’t do this:“I was thinking something along the lines of Sodium Lauroyl
Methyl Isethionate as a primary, CAPB or Sodium Cocoamphoacetate as a secondary
with Sodium Methyl Oleoyl Taurate in a small quantity for skin feel and a
little Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate for lather for the body wash.“Pick two, and balance the rest with water. Test it to see how it works in terms of lather, skin feel and thickness. You’ll be surprised with the results.Now I’m a generation SLS. I grew up needing to feeling squeaky clean after wash or it wasn’t adequate! What you proposed up there (keep in mind I have never tried it and this next bit is just a guess based on experience) to a generation SLS like me might feel like washing with glycerin. Sticky, heavy with a nice afterfeel… but not adequate.For the foaming and bubble bath purposes, I always keep CAPB betaine in. The rest don’t have the foam profile usually associated with bubble bath. They foam and bubble but not in the same way.Just my 2 cents! -
LOL. Beads… not balls.
Translation:” I think you should change the beads” -
I’m not very knowledgeable about nail formulations but biologically speaking, that looks like nail fungus to me.
The first thing I would do would be going to the derm or general doctor and sanitize all the clippers/files/etc. -
This specific product is ‘orient’ made so there will be very little accountability once money’s exchanged.
Now my dilemma is how to direct this customer. I don’t want to tell them to drop the project but I also don’t want to send them to other manufacturers when they only have so much to spend per unit. -
@thebrain: Please keep us update on whether it will stay clear after a couple of nights! I’ve tried a similar formula and my 5% SCI goes opaque after a few days!