[Alomgir91]

Hey! Based on CMs i’m working with they charge around 600-700 for the initial development costs and then price per unit thereafter, with around a 20-30% mark up.

[Alomgir91]

Hi guys,

Thanks for answering after a 3 and a half year slumber!

It looks like the latest ones are adding colorants to combat the white residue, but I’m not sure if it’s working. I think some recommend using as a base underneath make up for the best effect.

Specifically with the pH i’m assuming lowering the pH too much will turn it into silicic acid inside the formula, meaning the formula needs to stay at a constant pH of 9.5+ (or at least above the pKa of Sodium Silicate). I’m not sure how they are allowed to recommend use around the eyes at this pH. Does anyone know what the pH of Plexaderm is?

[Alomgir91]

Hey JLLL18,

Have you tried Nanoblur by Indeed Labs? It’s based more on silicones but when i last tested it, gave the “sand paper” feel you mention - also was our gold standard for wrinkle filling and pore minimising.

I’m currently looking into the Sodium Silicate based formulations, of which there are two identical products that have great results:

Vitayes Instant Ageback:
Water, magnesium aluminum silicate, propylene glycol, sodium silicate, acetyl hexapeptide-8 (argielinel), phenoxyethanol, ethylhexlglycerin c1 16035

And

Jeunesse Instantly Ageless
Water (Aqua), Sodium Silicate, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate, Acetyl Hexapeptide-8 (Argireline), Phenoxyethanol, Ethylexylglycerin, Yellow 5 (Cl 19140), Red 40 (Cl16035)

I’m looking for formulation tips on a product like this, again for a client - DavidW, did Mark ever get back to you via private email all those years ago? Would you mind sharing?