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I added the fragrance and it didnt cover the smell. Any suggestion to get rid of the smell totally? @ngarayeva001

correct. @Doreen 
now the problem is how to remove the smell as i was using 5% of btms 50 from the product

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I agreed to @natzam44 ‘s statement. You have to do market research first to know what product you should make. I think the 3 of them(your products) have their own positive effects, depends on what type of styling do the customer wants. But i think you should try producing and sell all of them and see what the market wants so you will get the data to assume which one you should produce and sell more..

not a pro just my thought on the business perspective wants to share

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@Belassi I used these formulation

C-20 7%
c25 4%
dub-340 3%
peg 8 bwax 10%
lanolin 8%
water 57,5%
hp starch 4%
pvp k90 3.5%
acrylates copolymer 1.5%
preservatives 1.5%
fragrance 1%

for preservatives i am using phenoxyethanol and nipagin nipasol. My bad and thank you for asking.

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@Gunther 
thanks for joining this discussion gunther.
speaking of using Isopropyl Myristate, what is the use of that material? 

@Dirtnap1
i finally found the right proportions for the hold, texture and everything else! Thank you so much for helping me in so many ways. 

Have you been using lubrizol?

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@Chemist77
thanks chemist77 for your response to these discussions here.

yeah dirtnap has told me before, its better to use c20 rather than c25. But any specific reasons why  i should use c20 rather than c25? 

@Dirtnap1 
I put in the preservatives before i insert the oil phase into the water phase on 80c. I have been using phenoxyethanol, methyl and propyl paraben.

and yes i will choose what fragrance i use after i finish my hold and texture of the wax on the formula. Any ideas what % i should for the fragrance? 

Whoa thats very kind of you, thanks. The bad thing is i think i can’t find the product here in my country. Do you think If i get the right equilibrium on the cete-wax-polymer i used i can have strong holds? 

@Bill_Toge
Thanks bill and much appreciated for your response.

I will try to use peg-40 if i have the right equilibrium of my formula and still didn’t have much hold. Does peg-40 give much viscosity to the mixture? 

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@Perry 
thanks perry and much appreciated for the reply.
i will try to use the knockout experiment soon as my materials arrive.

yeah i know it will be much proper if i use the overhead stirrer, but the cost of an overhead stirrer is out of my budget here lol. Soon if i have enough budget to buy an overhead stirrer i will.

I have been trying to use the original formula that I found on the internet and it didn’t work out, and then im making my own adjustment of the original formula. Still need more adjustment to make it perfect and found much problems here. Do you know how much typical usage of the PVP K-90 to use for a strong hold on the product? So it will give me an approximate percentage of my experiments. Thanks perry.

@Dirtnap1
thanks for the response dirtnap1, i can’t say much how i’m feeling more grateful here.

From the information that you gave me, then i will use the clays for my next project(after i finish the first one obviously lol), i have been thinking alao about a next project with an ultra matte finish and hold. I will save this one for later then.

right now my goal is to give the product a slick matte finish.  

That will do. I will try those steps soon as my materials arrive.

On a side note, is there a possible problem with my current formulation?

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@Dirtnap1
Again thanks for your response Dirtnap1.

Yes the water will surely adjusted later after I have the number of the other ingredients. Literally i use only notepad and calculator from my laptop to count the measurements. Maybe this would help me to simplify my works.

As for changing starch to kaolin, i’ll try it later. Starch has give the formula a huge amount of viscosity, and it also gives a smooth and soft after feel to the product. Any advice why i should use kaolin rather than starch except for the matte finish? did kaolin and the clays give more holds and textures? 

if i was staying inside a room that have cool temperatures, my product will give a lil bit matte finish and hold otherwise if i was staying outside the room my hair will start to fall and look a little bit shine. Any ideas?

I do 300g batch for formulation.
I will differ into phase Water and Oil.
First thing first i will make the oil phase, then put it into a hot plate until it reaches 80-85 degree celcius.
While waiting for the oil phase to be ready, i will also put the Water(only) into a hot plate and wait till cook, and then  after the water phase reaches 80c i will put the PVP k-90, follow by starch and Acrylates. After 5 mins of mixing together the water phase. I will pour slowly the oil phase into the water phase(same temperature).
I have been using a stick blender for the mixing.
The moment when i almost finish pouring the oil into the water phase, it begins to start clumping on top of it. And i saw bubble-like coming of from the middle of the product. I think i wasn’t letting any air here in the process, but it always coming off like this.
Any suggestions? Do i have to mix a little bit longer?

@Chemist77
Thanks for your response Chemist77.

Yeah i did  a lot of scrolling here but I haven’t found anything identical with my product. Maybe need more scrolling though. But I will be more grateful if u can help me with my problems here.

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@Dirtnap1
thanks for your advice   

i was thinking just now to try the instructions that you gave me, but i was wondering in the same time if I reduce the water, lanolin, dub and pvp what should i use to fill the missing percentage on my formula or maybe i need to find another addition to the formula? If i added another thickener agent such as clays, wouldnt it be difficult to combine with starch? 

Hahahaha the thing is ur were helping others in the way that u were able to, and its the purpose right. 

Also i had this problem, sometimes my product is clumping in the end of the mixing process. Any ideas?

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@Dirtnap1 @Perry
im sorry

i had many trials and errors and this formula is the latest one :

ceteareth-20 6%
ceteareth-25 4%
dub-340 3%
PEG-8 Beeswax 10%
Lanolin 8%
Water 59.5%
starch 4%
pvp k90 3,75%
acrylates copolymer 1%
preservatives 1%