[abierose]

@Perry

Oh wow, that is fascinating…ok, so it sounds like those ingredients might only be effective in a leave-in conditioner or something that is not washed off at all. In that situation, would other cationic conditioner ingredients still out-compete? And if so, is there any specific ingredients that you think are actually beneficial to the hair/scalp/follicles? In addition to trying to start a skincare line of some kind (still a long way away from that), in my “free” time, I have been working on a conditioner for personal use. Perhaps you wouldn’t mind taking a look at the latest formula I have..? I would really appreciate it!! 

[abierose]

So, would you say ingredients such as VegeKeratin, Kera Repair, etc. will only provide noticeable benefits in products that are not washed off (conditioner, hair tonics, etc.)? Or do those ingredients only have label appeal and have no actual noticeable benefit at all? 

It seems I should have became a member on this forum long before jumping into my cosmetic formulating journey :blush:

I am learning so much and I really appreciate all the information available on this forum and from actual chemists and the like. It is a valuable resource considering how much inaccurate information there is on the internet!

[abierose]

I’ve had a similar issue in the past with hair conditioner and lotions. Ironically the ingredients were nearly identical. I’ve never found a solution and the problem appears randomly and not often. I am curious if anyone has any insight to this…considering our ingredients are so similar, I would bet it has something to do with one or more of these ingredients. TIA!

[abierose]

Wow, that is so fascinating! What a perfect example of how powerful marketing can be! I guess now my question is, what products can I make using all of the panthenol that I have? ???? Is there anything that utilizes this ingredient that makes it actually effective? 

And your course sounds like it would be in alignment with what I am hoping to achieve with my formulating pursuits! I will also check out the free course via the link you supplied. Thank you so much!

[abierose]

Definitely some great, useful advice! Thank you @Perry for taking the time to share some of your knowledge. It is especially helpful for someone like myself who is just starting to formulate in hopes to eventually create a few unique products worthy enough to market.

It is disappointing to read the info about Formula Botanica, although it isn’t totally surprising. They seem more focused on selling you the course above anything else. Is there any school or course that is specific to cosmetic formulating that would be worth taking? 

I was happy to read what @Perry said about “Starting out as a “natural” formulator” because this is something I decided on my own early on, which is to learn how to formulate with industry standard ingredients, and perfecting those formulations, before trying to formulate using “all natural” ingredients. Plus, the definition of “all natural” is relative anyway

I do have one more question for you @Perry, and pardon my ignorance with these things..I’m new to it all and there is a LOT of misinformation online…but you said, “putting more than 0.1% vitamins in a hair formula is a mistake since they do nothing in hair products.” This is the first time I’ve heard this! Does this include Panthenol? Thank you for more information on this!
-Abie