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@Pattsi thanks a lot

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@Microformulation they said the CAS # is 31566-31-1. 

If the HLB of GMS se is 5.8, does it make o/w emulsion or w/o emulsion if used alone? 

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I did add t table spoon of this cream in room temperature water and mixed. This is the result

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@Zink what are the other ways to achieve such felling in a non-ionic emulsion? 

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@Microformulation in most of  eastern countries they don’t do a lot of documentations for these small purchases especially if it is from a reseller. The cas no is not mentioned on it. I did email the seller after you mentioned it and am waiting for his answer if he knows. 

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@Aziz that has confused me too. 
It doesn’t have se

Is has o/w written instead of w/o

I have purchased it from a trader and he doesn’t know this technical parts of it. 
I don’t think that it may be a printing mistake

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@”Dr Catherine Pratt” @Paprik 

I made some samples from it to find out what it is. 

First I made a sample with Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine and it didn’t even make a lotion.
SPDMA    %2
This emulsifier  %3

Second sample made a good looking cream and is completely stable since yesterday. No other thickner or stabilizer used.

Petrolatum   %5
Vegetable oil  %1
This emulsifier  %6

Does this mean it GMS se?

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@ngarayeva001 thanks 
For stability if i use a bit more cetyl it would be equal to stearyl. They are not expensive

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Thanks @jemolian

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I think if you are doing business from selling it, the most important part would be how to cut the costs. Tubes are at least half the price of bottle with pump. 

I  use pump but now i am changing it to tube because of the price. So it may be worth considering.

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Why don’t you use tubes? 

They are better preserved from contamination by customer

They are less expensive

You can write everything on it and  dont use extra box for it. (Extra cost saving)

Customer can carry it every where and use it more often.(more money for you).

It looks better than jar unless your jar is so luxury and costs 10 times more than what the product itself cost.

In business

You can not make profit when selling.
You can make profit when purchasing.
So %70 of your focus should be on reducing the costs if you want to do business.

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@Aziz it was supposed to be Glyceryl stearate which is w/o. So what does this o/w mean here? 
Is this the se (self emulsifying) version? 

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For me sodium phytate increases the pH at any amount and for each %0.1 s phytate i add %0.05 citric acid. 

For EDTA marketing, show your ingredient list to your friends and ask them what are the 3 ingredients you don’t like the most or don’t like the name if they don’t know what they are. This way you can find what people don’t like the most from what you are selling.

I can’t open The Prospector page about sodium phytate. Can anyone send it to me in PDF, screenshot or any other format. 

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%1-2 dimethicone

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How much is the quantity you need?

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May be Polymers can not be suspended in oil. I mix xanthan gum in oil phase which is olive oil and petrolatum and it sediments after a few minutes. It is 10kgs each batch and not samples.

For your question 2: use homogenizer or high shear mixer when mixing polymers in oil. This way they will not make clumps even if they sediment. Just do a simple mixing before or during adding the oil phase to water phase.

For question 1: yes homogenizer eliminates the clumps. At least for xanthan gum they do. 

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@ngarayeva001 no i haven’t tried fatty alcohol yet.
Which fatty alcohol do you prefer?
Cetyl or stearyl alcohol

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Polyglyceryl 4 Laurate is cold process and very low viscosity

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Thank you all. 

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@Pattsi 
I have tried guar gum, HEC, HPMC. They don’t make the system stable.

Carbomers 980 and 940 are available. 

I don’t know what other options are available so i can check

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@ngarayeva001 Polyglyceryl-4 Laurate has HLB 11. Why would it make w/o emulsion? 

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@Perry thanks

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@MarkBroussard unfortunately Ultrez 30 is not available here.
Any other suggestions

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@ngarayeva001 unfortunately Sepimax Zen is not available here. 
Any other suggestions

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@chemicalmatti will adjust the final pH to 4-5 with sodium hydroxide