[Abdullah]

I mean what batch sizes small and big you want to make? 

There are better options in china for half the price that can make batches of up to 40kg.

[Abdullah]

It can be thickened easily with NACL. Have you tried that? 

What percentage of fragrance are you adding? 

Is it a Shampoo or face & body wash?

[Abdullah]

What are the batch sizes that you will make?

Where do you purchase it from?

What is the price of this? Lowest & highest end.

[Abdullah]

Use a blend of phenoxyethanol+ parabens or phenoxyethanol+ IPBC with a chelating agent. 

These two blends are the mildest and strongest preservatives you can use if you don’t want to use formaldehyde releasers. 

[Abdullah]

So what is the other 20% of product then? 

Also you can not mix honey, bentonite & charcoal with oils. These are water soluble.

[Abdullah]

Is it for personal use or for selling? 

I would suggest increase Propanediol to ≥10% for water activity, pH 4 and a blend of phenoxyethanol & parabens. 
I am not sure about compatibility of phenoxyethanol with 1% HEC though. @PhilGeis may have better suggestions.

That is the most gentle part of body and those preservatives are not so gentle.

[Abdullah]

Jaycetowww said:

Abdullah said:

localhost said:

The European Cosmetic Toiletry and Perfumery Association recommends that Tea Tree Oil should not be used in cosmetic products in a way that results in a concentration greater than 1% oil being applied to the body.

Interesting

Where can i find this data? 

I need to show it to some people

I’m not adding water , is that a problem @Paprik @Abdullah

Oils don’t mix with water. Your product will separate in one minute. 

You need to learn how to make emulsion so you can mix water and oil.

[Abdullah]

What is this used for?

[Abdullah]

localhost said:

Abdullah said:

localhost said:

The European Cosmetic Toiletry and Perfumery Association recommends that Tea Tree Oil should not be used in cosmetic products in a way that results in a concentration greater than 1% oil being applied to the body.

Interesting

Where can i find this data? 

I need to show it to some people

SCCP (Scientific Committee on Consumer Products), Opinion on tea tree oil, 16 December 2008

Thanks

[Abdullah]

drjayseesunish said:

Abdullah said:

drjayseesunish said:

@Abdullah @ketchito I  am making dishwash liquid and I  have seen mixing the fragrance and food colour,if  not in particular sequence, the liquid lost its viscosity. Previously you told fragrance oil should be mixed in CAPB and I did so but didn’t get purpose. So please while making these liquid when we should add this fragrance and colour, previously before r after particular step. One more thing what we should use fragrance oil or fragrance liquid extract. I am using essential oil.

What is your formula and procedure?

@Abdullah
1. water labsa NaOH adjust ph 7. Add Sles.
2 capb. fragrance oil mix together. Cdea.
 3.mix 2 in 1 liquid.
 4.add colour 
5 NaCl 
Again see ph and find better action below ph7.

What is the percentage?

Does it loss viscosity when you add fragrance?

“if not in particular sequence, the liquid lost its viscosity.” In what sequence it does not lose viscosity? 

[Abdullah]

Paprik said:

This is from the Opinion:

Tea Tree Oil is a skin sensitiser. Skin sensitisation may also be enhanced by irritancy. Neat
Tea Tree Oil and certain formulations at concentrations of 5% or more can induce skin and
eye irritation.
Based on clinical data, the current use levels of TTO are shown to induce contact allergy.

I would suggest you to make the product and try it. Frankly, I would not want to have that much Tea Tree oil close to my eyes and nose. 
Also, I would not want to clean the bathroom after rinsing 7% of charcoal    

Some of my competitors use 5% tea tree oil for acne products. Localhost said 1% TTO to i thought it maybe something i should show to those retailers who sell those 5% TTO products.

[Abdullah]

localhost said:

The European Cosmetic Toiletry and Perfumery Association recommends that Tea Tree Oil should not be used in cosmetic products in a way that results in a concentration greater than 1% oil being applied to the body.

Interesting

Where can i find this data? 

I need to show it to some people

[Abdullah]

Jaycetowww said:

I wwant to know if it will not irritate the skin , if the percentage is okay 
Paprik said:

What is your question/issue mate? 

What else is there? Water? 

You can not mix them.

[Abdullah]

Looks like the formula on Sephora is the updated one and that PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate was not doing anything good so they have removed it. 

[Abdullah]

What is your formula and pH?

[Abdullah]

grapefruit22 said:

@Abdullah Maybe you can take a look at what ingredients are generally used by other moisturizing face cleansers - for example Fresh Soy Cleanser is quite popular.

Have you used this product? 

If yes, what did you like about it? 

When i checked the ingredients, it has only coco glucoside for cleansing which can dry the skin, everything else looks to be below 1% and nothing in it looks like a skin conditioner to me. 

https://www.sephora.com/product/soy-face-cleanser-P7880

Aqua (Water), Coco-Glucoside, Butylene Glycol, Glycerin, Propanediol, Xanthan Gum, 1,2-Hexanediol, Polyglyceryl-10 Laurate, Centaurea Cyanus Flower Water, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Borago Officinalis Seed Oil, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Rosa Damascena Extract, Rosa Damascena Flower Water, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Panax Ginseng Root Extract, Malva Sylvestris (Mallow) Flower Extract, Rosa Damascena Flower Oil, Tocopherol, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Caprylyl Glycol, Hydrolyzed Jojoba Esters, Silica, Citric Acid, Pentylene Glycol, Caramel, Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate.

[Abdullah]

drjayseesunish said:

@Abdullah @ketchito I  am making dishwash liquid and I  have seen mixing the fragrance and food colour,if  not in particular sequence, the liquid lost its viscosity. Previously you told fragrance oil should be mixed in CAPB and I did so but didn’t get purpose. So please while making these liquid when we should add this fragrance and colour, previously before r after particular step. One more thing what we should use fragrance oil or fragrance liquid extract. I am using essential oil.

What is your formula and procedure?

[Abdullah]

Bill_Toge said:

@Abdullah I found 2-5% w/w to be effective

Thanks

[Abdullah]

Lauryl glucoside needs heat. 

Just heat it, mix it and cool it. It will gain viscosity. 
Decyl is difficult to thicken.

As Paprik said, use this shampoo, if you like it then ok. If you didn’t like it then no need to find out how to thicken it. 
Change the formula completely. 

[Abdullah]

ketchito said:

Abdullah said:

For glucoside i was talking about coco or lauryl glucoside.

Think more about cetyl or cetearyl glucoside for emulsifying. Lauryl and coco glucosides behave more like detergents.

Thanks

[Abdullah]

@Herbnerd are you in china? 

[Abdullah]

Isopropyl myristate

[Abdullah]

saeedulfat said:

Abdullah said:

Gums like xanthan, guar or HPMC are very compatible with NACL.

Great . Xanthine gum concentration 0.5 or 1% enough and sodium benzoate 1.2% as preservative right or increase ?

What equipments do you have for mixing? 

Xanthan gum needs high shear mixing.

For preservative i only recommend formaldehyde or a releaser or CMI MI in shampoo with some EDTA and small amount ≤0.5% sodium benzoate as helper. 

[Abdullah]

drjayseesunish said:

Abdullah said:

saeedulfat said:

Abdullah yes the first time viscosity is ok . When made in cold season and get to hot season this time the shampoo lose viscosity.and what about the carbomer for viscosity control ?

You can use whatever you want but i am more on the side of budget friendly ingredients and there are a lot of good and budget friendly options like guar gum, xanthan gum, HPMC and more that you can choose. As you have no problem with NACL the best option is NACL. 

Best way is to purchase some liquid SLES or make a 25% solution from paste with high shear, then makes a sample with that, then add NACL in small amounts and see with how much NACL you get desired viscosity without shifting to other side of salt curve. 

@Abdullah so how much of salt for desired viscosity can measured by experiment and experiment only? Am I right ?

I mean do like this 
Make the shampoo, it will be water thin 

Add 0.2% NACL, mix and see the viscosity

Then add 0.2% more, mix and see the viscosity. 

Do like this until you reach the viscosity you want. 

Then note that. 

[Abdullah]

Thank you all 

I live in Afghanistan and I don’t use sunscreen for two reasons.
1. My face is not exposed to direct sunlight. 
Maximum would be 5 minutes. 
2. Even if i want to use, i cant find a good sunscreen. This is the real problem. 

Is such discoloration caused by UVA or UVB?