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Cola®Det COCO is a good one with higher active surfactants. If you want something completely liquid at RT, it will have very small total surfactants and would cost you more.

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It depends on how much oil do you like. Start from 10%.

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You have too much conditioning ingredients

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@PhilGeis pH is 5.5-6.5

Package is flip top cap bottle.

Is it possible that they have more ingredients in there and didn’t mention it in MSDS?

@ketchito hehe that is enough.

Is it this patent or any other patent?

WO2014023440A1

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Sci is not stable at lower pH and Curcylic 40 may have reduced its ph too much.

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It may reduce foam

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Formula A is also has more viscosity

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Thanks. I currently add 0.3% citric acid to my shampoos. It reduces pH to ~4.5 when CAPB is present in water.<div>

Is this much citric acid enough to mix with water and CAPB and mix for some time, then add other ingredients and increase pH back to 6 or i should add more citric acid?

Also is heading the product necessary to neutralize impurities or cold mixing is enough?

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No

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Thanks for sharing your opinion

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Also if i use cocamide methyl MEA as co surfactant for SLS: SLES instead of CAPB it feels milder and better scalp feel after hair is dried. I dont know if it is because of impurities in my CAPB or MEA reduces irritation of SLS: SLES more than CAPB .

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No i dont run the test.

They are either preserved with formalin or CMI MI.

What else coud be the reason?

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They don’t matter that much.

More emulsifier and more oil will give higher viscosity.

Start with 10% oil+ 3% emulsifier and see if you like it.

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Thanks a lot

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Thanks a lot

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Thanks

What if we don’t mix it at all after homogenization until temperature is down to 50°c?

Is it necessary to slow mix?

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@Perry44 thanks

When you said ”A big company like Unilever would use up to 1% silicone.”, do you mean usually silicone is used @ ≤1%?

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So it is better to take a break from high shear between 55-60°c?

Is it 55-60°c because of melting point of fatty alcohol or they don’t have any connection?

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That is the same

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Thanks

At what temperature do structures usually form?

Currently i make two emulsions.

BTMS+ FA which is heated to 90°c.

SLS+FA which is heated to 60°c.

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Thanks

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Can i ask why that temperature and not cooler?

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Thanks

No plan on holding it.

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Made 3 more batches

1% SLS: 5% FA

0.8% SLS: 4% FA

0.6% SLS: 3% FA

pH was 12 for all of them.

Will check the stability

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Liquid SLS has pH ~6 and no citric acid needed to adjust it’s pH.

1% powder SLS solution in filtered water has pH ~13.

How can i calculate the free base?

1% SLS powder needs 0.8% citric acid to reduce pH to 6 and during this it creates a lot of foam so it may have a lot of free base.

I will make another batch without citric acid and see what happens.