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What is your pH and what is your target viscosity?

Poly glyceryl 4 laurate creates very low viscosity emulsions.

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They are the same

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You mean those white things?

Can you explain your preparation method and pH!

Maybe you are not melting them properly before homogenization.

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In my opinion the best option is a clarifying shampoo + a conditioner

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And add 0.2% EDTA too

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Thanks a lot

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Reduce behenyl alcohol to 1%

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Same story

https://www.amazon.com/Pantene-Shampoo-Sulfate-Conditioner-Moisture/dp/B01LZG17UO

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Thanks.

I think there should be something else that citric acid do from a rinse of prod8.

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pH 4.3 is better than 5.

Why are you not using some petrolatum and glycerin instead of those butters?

Make a batch with 10% petrolatum and 10% glycerin and see how it works for very dry skin.

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I made two samples, one 10% STPP in hot and one in cold water. The one in hot water dissolved properly with low speed mixing but the one with cold water STPP didn’t dissolve until i heated it a bit.

These samples were made in glass pot. Surprisingly this time after adding sodium hydroxide, it didn’t precipitate.

Also, after adding 10% STPP in water, pH was around 7. Is it normal?

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ALS, sci, scg and an amphoteric

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No it will not and it will be difficult to thicken too.

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To what degree c you heat them and what is the homogenization speed and batch size?

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Does is just feel nice or increase the stability too?

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In my experience LGN emulsions with cationic emulsifiers like BTMS or BTAC are very stable without any water phase stabilizer.

@chemicalmatt what do you think about cationic guar for this purpose?

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Thanks

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Thanks

I after using both shampoo a few times as shampoo and as face wash, i think shampoo A is milder than B as face wash and my hair also feels better with shampoo A.

As I don’t have tools to measure the mildness so i am asking you experts, is shampoo a also milder than B or it is just my thinking?

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Thanks

Is it because of formalin or CMI MI in the formula?

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@ketchito thanks a lot.

Do you have any data for citrate too that shows how it works at different pH for different metal ions like this one is for EDTA?

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Thanks but does citrate have energy to make hard water completely soft from tap water?

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@philgies Is that enough only for fungi if used with 0.5-1% phenoxyethanol in an emulsion, not shampoo?

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Thanks

Do you know any patent with ≥1% citrate in shampoo?

Please share if you have

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I also think that it will be for water softening but as it has EDTA and and 0.1-0.2% percentage of of it is enough to make the product water soft, what will be this high amount of citric acid doing.

It is highest after SLES.

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I saw 1% citric acid in an example formula in one of their parents buy the patent was about something else.

I am wondering if it can be beneficial as a water softener and also to remove cation ions so if you apply a cationic surfactant conditioner after shampoo, it deposit more. What is your opinion on this?