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  • Which co-emulsifier is better to use with Montanov 68 emulsifier?

    Posted by manuksh on June 29, 2017 at 8:00 am

    Dear colleagues,
    Who has experience with Montanov 68 emulsifier? There is no definite user specification and recommendation on manufacturer’s site. What is the the recommended PH value for stability, which co-emulsifier is suitable to use for HBL adjustment? Is the HLB adjustment mandatory if I am going to use 5% as self-emulsifier?   The only data I found is in lotioncrafter’s site. 
    Thanks.

    DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ replied 6 years, 7 months ago 2 Members · 5 Replies
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  • manuksh

    Member
    June 30, 2017 at 7:35 am

    @zwapp : Thanks a lot for your response. In the description it is written that the Montanov 68 is a HLB based emulsifier and its HLB=10. According to my calculations the HLB of my oil part is 8. Don’t I need to use co-emulsifier to adjust the HLB of the emulsifier to 8? If yes, which w/o emulsifier is suitable to use with M68?

  • manuksh

    Member
    June 30, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    @zwapp:  You are right! I found SEPPIC’s  specification for Montanov 68 emulsion. Nothing is mentioned about HLB system there.  It is interesting, that in lotioncrafter’s site it is described as HLB system working emulsifier. However in the SEPPIC’s  recommendations there are lot of other thickening and stabilizing agents provided.

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    June 30, 2017 at 11:05 pm

    Septic does not use HLB because it is not neccasary.Note formulae have  polymer SIMUGEL which negates need for HLB as most all polymers do i.e. Carbopols etc:however some still use HLB in combination.Personally we have found it unnessasy

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    July 1, 2017 at 3:34 am

    The net/net is if you use SIMUGEL in combination with Montanov 68 you should be okay with stability of emulsion.

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    July 4, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    @zwapp You are right and thanks for your posts on Nisin -most interesting research as I am doing acne research also. Cheers

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