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  • Where to find Dermofeel PA (should I make my own?)

    Posted by lisdoesthings on September 27, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    (I’ve searched this forum for an already typed out answer to this before posting, but could not find anything)

    I am just beginning my formulation path, and this forum has helped me a lot in just searching for answers to questions I’ve had thus far. I’m utilizing the free  IPCS masterclass as I get used to formulating and understanding the importance of each ingredient. One ingredient needed for their organic shampoo formula is Dermofeel PA (phytic acid, aqua), I understand that this is a chelating agent, and after trying to find somewhere to buy it online I am also now under the impression that it has been very hard to come by for awhile (according to google searches and forums). I am US-based, but am open to ordering out of country as well if needed. Any leads on where I can buy Dermofeel PA? And if not - can I make my own? I know it’s simply phytic acid and demineralized water, but I don’t know what % of each it would be. 

    Or if anyone has a Dermofeel PA substitute that could be used in a “certified organic” shampoo, I would much appreciate the information. I have seen some subs on google searches, but I don’t want to choose something ineffective and that I don’t know much about.

    abdullah replied 1 year, 5 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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  • bill_toge

    Member
    September 27, 2022 at 6:47 pm

    sodium phytate is easier to find, does the same job, and dissolves more easily

  • lisdoesthings

    Member
    September 27, 2022 at 7:16 pm

    Thank you! It looks like I can just add sodium phytate still in powder form to my water phase. I see suggested usage rate is 0.05-0.5%. I don’t know how strong Dermafeel PA is as it’s phytic acid and water, and this formula has 0.2% Dermofeel PA. Would I attempt the formula with a replacement of 0.2% sodium phytate or go lower because it’s not mixed with water?

  • bill_toge

    Member
    September 28, 2022 at 10:44 pm

    0.1% is enough, more often than not

  • markbroussard

    Member
    September 28, 2022 at 11:16 pm

    @lisdoesthings

    You can purchase Phytic Acid from Biosil Technologies in the US.  Are you using it as both a chelating agent and pH adjuster?  Phytic Acid and Sodium Phytate have different effects as it regards pH adjustment.  Phytic Acid will lower pH, Sodium Phytate will raise pH.

  • abdullah

    Member
    September 29, 2022 at 5:24 am

    Some where someone said that the phytic acid she purchased was already contaminated. So sodium phytate is better option, costs less in transportation because it is 100% active and do the same thing.

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