What would add glide to this natural deodorant formula?

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What would add glide to this natural deodorant formula?

Posted by abierose on February 7, 2021 at 3:06 am

I’m looking to add better glide to this deoderant. I was thinking about adding a natural dimethicone alternative i have called LuxGlideN350 (INCI:

Diheptyl Succinate (and) Capryloyl Glycerin/Sebacic Acid Copolymer). Would this help with the glide or is there any other ingredients I could remove or add? Thanks for your help!

Coconut Oil - 24

MCT Oil - 8.52

Shea Butter - Refined - 6.01

Candellila Wax - 12.02

Hemp Seed Oil - 4.01

Sweet Almomd Oil - 4.01

Magnesium Hydroxide - 30.56

Arrowroot Powder - 10.02

Vitamin E, T50 - .50

Essential Oil - .32

abierose replied 3 years, 2 months ago 4 Members · 15 Replies
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Graillotion

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February 7, 2021 at 4:28 am

Lauryl Laurate
abierose

Member
February 7, 2021 at 5:19 am

Graillotion said:

Lauryl Laurate

Thank you!!
abierose

Member
February 15, 2021 at 8:08 pm

@Graillotion what percentage should I start off at? And I have Isopropyl Myristate so would that work at least until I get the Lauryl Laurate? Thanks!!
Graillotion

Member
February 16, 2021 at 1:18 am

LL is a solid at room temp…but melts immediately upon skin contact…this ‘melting’ causes a ‘cool’ sensation, and very nice glide. Because it is an ester, it has a super lite feel…and no greasy after effect. In the lighter of my two creams… (lower oil content) I use it as 1.5%. In a little heavier cream…I use it at 2%. As with ALL things…you just have to experiment until it feels like you imagined it.

IPM is a nice lite emollient…but there are many lighter. In creams…I use a cascading effect of emollients (IL +IPM+LL)…basically means…use emollients of different weights…kinda gives a depth to the emollients….hehehe…maybe not so important in deodorant.
Pattsi

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February 16, 2021 at 4:02 am

40/60 : powder/oil base isn’t it too high.
If I’m not mistaken DIY bloggers suggested powder at the second ingredient.
And you didn’t state your formulation was meant to be a stick or a paste-like.
Maybe you can try looking at natural lipstick formulations how do they get the glide.
Graillotion

Member
February 16, 2021 at 5:11 am

abierose said:

@Graillotion what percentage should I start off at? And I have Isopropyl Myristate so would that work at least until I get the Lauryl Laurate? Thanks!!

I assume you have a formula you are working off of….otherwise… one way to see what the competition is doing is to use this website:

INCIDecoder - Decode your skincare ingredients

When you see something you like….enter it here….or an ingredient…and it will provide you with some useful info….at least on those components that are above the 1% line.
helenhelen

Member
February 16, 2021 at 9:48 am

Maybe look up octyldodecanol..

Babassu oil is a nice light oil that is solid at room temperature (low melting point though).

Also, hemp oil oxidises very quickly… it smells horrible when it goes rancid. Not sure it’s worth adding to a deodorant product!
abierose

Member
February 18, 2021 at 12:40 am

Graillotion said:

LL is a solid at room temp…but melts immediately upon skin contact…this ‘melting’ causes a ‘cool’ sensation, and very nice glide. Because it is an ester, it has a super lite feel…and no greasy after effect. In the lighter of my two creams… (lower oil content) I use it as 1.5%. In a little heavier cream…I use it at 2%. As with ALL things…you just have to experiment until it feels like you imagined it.

IPM is a nice lite emollient…but there are many lighter. In creams…I use a cascading effect of emollients (IL +IPM+LL)…basically means…use emollients of different weights…kinda gives a depth to the emollients….hehehe…maybe not so important in deodorant.

Oh wow!! Thank you for this information! It will definitely be helpful to me in this formulation as well as other lotion formulas I am working on
abierose

Member
February 18, 2021 at 12:43 am

helenhelen said:

Maybe look up octyldodecanol..

Babassu oil is a nice light oil that is solid at room temperature (low melting point though).

Also, hemp oil oxidises very quickly… it smells horrible when it goes rancid. Not sure it’s worth adding to a deodorant product!

Hmmm, very interesting about the Hemp oil…it certainly can be swapped out for a better, more stable oil!

And I do have Babassu oil but after I purchased it, I started reading everywhere that it is nearly identical to coconut oil, only more expensive 🤷‍♀️

Thank you for the information!
abierose

Member
February 18, 2021 at 12:47 am

Pattsi said:

40/60 : powder/oil base isn’t it too high.
If I’m not mistaken DIY bloggers suggested powder at the second ingredient.
And you didn’t state your formulation was meant to be a stick or a paste-like.
Maybe you can try looking at natural lipstick formulations how do they get the glide.

You know, I initially thought that the powder amount was high as well. But it doesn’t seem to make the product feel draggy or dry or gritty..would those be the things to look for if the powder amount is too high? Or is this what I should decrease to get better glide?
Good idea about looking at lip stick formulations! I will do some research on that tonight 😊
abierose

Member
February 18, 2021 at 12:49 am

Graillotion said:

abierose said:

@Graillotion what percentage should I start off at? And I have Isopropyl Myristate so would that work at least until I get the Lauryl Laurate? Thanks!!

I assume you have a formula you are working off of….otherwise… one way to see what the competition is doing is to use this website:

INCIDecoder - Decode your skincare ingredients

When you see something you like….enter it here….or an ingredient…and it will provide you with some useful info….at least on those components that are above the 1% line.

Oh perfect! This is very helpful! I just love the wealth of knowledge on this forum and appreciate all the help and feedback!
Graillotion

Member
February 18, 2021 at 4:19 am

abierose said:

helenhelen said:

Maybe look up octyldodecanol..

Babassu oil is a nice light oil that is solid at room temperature (low melting point though).

And I do have Babassu oil but after I purchased it, I started reading everywhere that it is nearly identical to coconut oil, only more expensive 🤷‍♀️

Thank you for the information!

Ohhhh…. Babassu is soooooo much better. Especially if you start making facial products. Compare the comedogenic ratings!

Quality of oils varies enormously between vendors. The best I have gotten was from NDA… but not far behind was MYO.
abierose

Member
February 18, 2021 at 6:25 am

Graillotion said:

abierose said:

helenhelen said:

Maybe look up octyldodecanol..

Babassu oil is a nice light oil that is solid at room temperature (low melting point though).

And I do have Babassu oil but after I purchased it, I started reading everywhere that it is nearly identical to coconut oil, only more expensive 🤷‍♀️

Thank you for the information!

Ohhhh…. Babassu is soooooo much better. Especially if you start making facial products. Compare the comedogenic ratings!

Quality of oils varies enormously between vendors. The best I have gotten was from NDA… but not far behind was MYO.

Really?! Well I guess I’m glad I did purchase the Babassu oil then! I can’t believe I never looked at the comedogenic rating for it yet since that is usually one of the first things I do when purchasing new-to-me oils.
And I haven’t purchased anything from NDA yet but I have used MYO in the past.
Thanks!!
Graillotion

Member
February 18, 2021 at 7:08 am

abierose said:

Graillotion said:

abierose said:

Really?! Well I guess I’m glad I did purchase the Babassu oil then! I can’t believe I never looked at the comedogenic rating for it yet since that is usually one of the first things I do when purchasing new-to-me oils.
And I haven’t purchased anything from NDA yet but I have used MYO in the past.
Thanks!!

When I am sourcing ingredients for a product….I’ll typically buy the same product from LC, FSS, NDA and MYO, (and Noble Roots in the past)….and compare them. Absolutely jaw dropping how they will vary from vendor to vendor.

NDA will almost always win.

Except butters….MYO…hands down the best. (They sell the good Danish stuff!)
abierose

Member
February 18, 2021 at 4:56 pm

Graillotion said:

abierose said:

Graillotion said:

abierose said:

Really?! Well I guess I’m glad I did purchase the Babassu oil then! I can’t believe I never looked at the comedogenic rating for it yet since that is usually one of the first things I do when purchasing new-to-me oils.
And I haven’t purchased anything from NDA yet but I have used MYO in the past.
Thanks!!

When I am sourcing ingredients for a product….I’ll typically buy the same product from LC, FSS, NDA and MYO, (and Noble Roots in the past)….and compare them. Absolutely jaw dropping how they will vary from vendor to vendor.

NDA will almost always win.

Except butters….MYO…hands down the best. (They sell the good Danish stuff!)

Thank you for the info! This is so helpful to me, especially since I haven’t purchased from NDA yet and have definitely been burnt by a few online vendors, namely Amazon but at least I have always been able to get a refund for orders that were totally unsatisfactory or incorrect or never even arrived…I purchased a Ginger fragrance oil through Amazon a while back…no joke it smelled like wet cigarette butts!! 🤮🤭