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  • VARISOFT EQ 65 and viscosity instructions.

    Posted by Graillotion on July 1, 2021 at 2:43 am

    I am working on a emulsified hand cream, using 165 and Varisoft EQ 65.  The instructions from the MFG (VariSoft EQ 65)….say this:

    The viscosity of conditioners including
    VARISOFT® EQ 65 Pellets can be optimized by
    applying a second homogenization step after cooling
    down to room temperature

    Note: it only says ‘conditioners’

    The site then goes on to give two conditioner formulas, in which they recommend a 30 second homogenization at full cool down.  It also lists a formula for a lotion, and they do NOT include the 30 second homogenization at cool down.

    So my question is…why does the post cool down homogenization thicken conditioners, but not recommended for the lotion?

    I had to make 3 identical formulas to test 3 crosspolymers I am looking at.  The first two…I included a post cooldown blast with the emulsifier, and the third formula I skipped the step.  It did appear that the late blast of the emulsifier tool did thicken the formula???

    I am old school…and like to know….how and why?

    Anybody?  @Pharma ?

    BTW: Loving the feel of the VS EQ 65…. just have to keep in mind it is cationic.

    Graillotion replied 2 years, 10 months ago 3 Members · 4 Replies
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  • Pharma

    Member
    July 1, 2021 at 7:18 am

    An emulsion is neiter something homogeneous nor at an equilibrium but it’s a somewhat random semi-stable construct. Like a house of cards just that one forms it by tossing a few decks into a pot and stirring it. Weird things happen nobody can predict.

  • chemicalmatt

    Member
    July 1, 2021 at 3:39 pm

    As a rule you should not add sheer stress to cationic emulsions. I am not one to question Evonik, they are wise chemists, but on this one they may be wrong on the EQ 75. Cool slowly with low sheer/slow mixing and you will come out OK.

  • Pharma

    Member
    July 1, 2021 at 8:36 pm

    Thanks for sharing, I’ll keep that in mind @chemicalmatt .

  • Graillotion

    Member
    July 2, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    As a rule you should not add sheer stress to cationic emulsions. I am not one to question Evonik, they are wise chemists, but on this one they may be wrong on the EQ 75. Cool slowly with low sheer/slow mixing and you will come out OK.

    ………add shear to a cationic emulsion……..

    At any time….or after the initial sheer?

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