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  • Pharma

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    April 7, 2021 at 4:46 am

    …In both your pictures and the ones highlighting the Olay product, the lighting is completely different in each picture…

    So how comes that in all of your pictures, the right one looks like when I hit the ‘auto-adjust colors’ button in IrfanView? Everything seems altered: brightness, contrast, gamma, saturation…
  • Dreamer77

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    April 7, 2021 at 5:55 am

    I don’t adjust anything, I don’t know how to but even if I knew I still wouldn’t do it as I work to improve the details I see, these results on my photos are as real as they can get. And without using powders to produce soft focus effect (which means there’s still some room for improvement). After that it’s the plastic surgeons. The formula is not for sale and I am putting it on clinical trials myself on my expense. I have created a product that will compete and win international competitions, it will be sold to the entire EU with a price tag of over $300 per jar on it I have been working on this project 3 years already and have managed to sell over 10,000 jars of it with a price tag of $100 per jar, with no branding, packaging, ingredients list,advertising etc.no middlemen (so far). The most interesting thing however is that when a client stops using it and goes to another brand they discover that the result achieved with my product is second to none and they return back to me. The product was designed to create results not just a good impression of hydration and constructs some sort of psychological addiction and dependence of its use and so far my results and repeated sales back this up. And this is only one formula, I have more and like I said not all of them are cosmetics. A few are OTC creams and a couple could be classified as medicines. Take a look on my scar repair formula 

  • Dreamer77

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    April 7, 2021 at 5:56 am

  • Dreamer77

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    April 7, 2021 at 5:58 am

    You can talk to me about lighting now…thank you all

  • Pharma

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    April 7, 2021 at 6:31 pm

    Dreamer77 said:

    You can talk to me about lighting now…thank you all

    It was a serious question, no reason to go cocky.

    BTW the latest trick available here around against scaring is simply a blend of three different cp silicone oils (10 g for > 40$). The best thing is still the base cream and proper care, not fancy ingredients ;) .

  • TheSocksTooBig

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    April 7, 2021 at 6:49 pm

    I feel like this is a troll post… 

  • David

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    April 7, 2021 at 7:19 pm

    Women share their striking transformation photos showing what they look  like before and after make-up
    It is not a troll…cosmetics rules!

  • Abdullah

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    April 8, 2021 at 1:55 am

    you said these pics are 5-10 minutes after 1st application, not 2 weeks. If you can show me in a10 minutes video that the skin heals like that and the eyebrow grows like that, i will purchase your Product in bulk. 50kg at first purchase. 

    If it is difficult to find something like this again, the eyebrow part would be easy. Shave your or someone elses eyebrow, apply the cream and let me see if it is growing back like this or at least half like this. 

  • Graillotion

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    April 8, 2021 at 4:00 am

    Yes…I would also like to be a test subject for your hair regrowth cream.  That is impressive how that eyebrow grew back.  I have thinning hair, and would like to test the product for this alternative use.  You can PM me on this forum.

    All though I am concerned with the skin lesions that develop within 5-10 minutes of use.  Should I be concerned?

  • abierose

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    April 8, 2021 at 6:43 am

    Yes…I would also like to be a test subject for your hair regrowth cream.  That is impressive how that eyebrow grew back.  I have thinning hair, and would like to test the product for this alternative use.  You can PM me on this forum.

    All though I am concerned with the skin lesions that develop within 5-10 minutes of use.  Should I be concerned?

    This one managed to dye her hair in that short amount of time as well!


    ????

    No but seriously, having been in the graphics design industry for the last 20 years, I know  photoshop like the back of my hand and let me tell you, you can do ANYTHING in photoshop…whiter teeth? No problem! Thicker hair? Sure thing! Less wrinkles? Easy peasy! Common sense? Well, even photoshop has its limitations ????‍♀️
    If it sounds “too good to be true”, it probably is. 

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 6:56 am

    Ok, it was my mistake for not explaining properly the time frame for each photo….the eye photos are 5-10 minutes after 1st application….the two faces also are 5-10 minutes after 1st application…the old lady is 1 month of use…the scared face is 2 months use of the scar formula

    …seriously you thought that the old lady improved so quickly in only 5 minutes? Come on these do not happen even in the Hollywood movies…. I just posted results of some products I make…. I do not know how to use of photoshop may some of you do… I forgot to mention also that I have a private group on Facebook where I have members/clients on invitation only, there I post my results and my clients criticise/review my products….so far I have about 850 active members and still growing…also, I do not use silicone at all in any of my products as I try to keep up with the current trends of the market

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 6:58 am

    Also, you can’t afford to buy straight away 50KG of the profuct, its current cost lies at about $350/KG

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 7:11 am

    Among my clients there are Judges/politicians/actors and generally people who can afford an expensive formula, ex-clients of LaMer Laprerie Este etc that can tell the difference between an expensive cream and an effective cream… I didn’t come here to show off or sell my formula,. I had a question that buffled me, cleared my mind through analysis and bamm problem solved…basically I can do a 5 minute result even on the face on the old lady but this would raise the cost of the end product that would be scary high and I would not be able to sell it.. there’s a zillion actives out there and the key is to make a cost effective combination that will create me a good profit….now I am developing two other formulas, one is for skin tightening on the neck/decollete and is based on the scar formula while the other is regarding to weight management/cellulite treatment/water retention/skin tightening….so far both have excellent results with remarkable improvement in only 7 days of use…. 

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 7:18 am

    7 days of use application twice daily…

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 7:28 am

    Like I said, if I lived in America I would be rich by now….

  • Pattsi

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    April 8, 2021 at 9:44 am

    Dreamer77 said:

    I’m skeptical this was the work of your cream alone with no laser treatment involved since there’re HIP, HIE lesions and boy what a poor stiching.

    Dreamer77 said:

    Back to the original post formula, Wasn’t there an Australian brand put a product that create similar effect to this out around 10-15 years ago?
    It comes in  white/purple tube, anyone remember the name?
    So you are not the first one.
    It’s been a long time since I heard the name Oil of Olay.

  • Abdullah

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    April 8, 2021 at 11:57 am

    Pharma said:

    Dreamer77 said:

    You can talk to me about lighting now…thank you all

    It was a serious question, no reason to go cocky.

    BTW the latest trick available here around against scaring is simply a blend of three different cp silicone oils (10 g for > 40$). The best thing is still the base cream and proper care, not fancy ingredients ;) .

    Can i ask which silicone oils?

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 12:16 pm

    What can I say, I haven’t experimented yet with Oleic Acid, I have luxury butters that are high in Oleic acid but am so busy with the Covid outbreak that I don’t have time to evolve new formulas and exploit those as well…

    I own a private pharmacy an old pharmacy with a reputation on the field, I do not formulate for a living. If you like you can buy that for $5M,

    However, I have evolved a paste for wound healing that outruns every product on global level, a standalone product that eliminates all known products used on wound healing and burn healing. Just like Aspirin it should be included in every hospital, portable pharmacy kits etc.It works on everyone even diabetics too with 100% success. The only time it did not have a result was when the person was take anticoagulants, you see the paste stops bleeding as well. I have tested it already on children 5yrs up and adults up to 90yrs old, dogs cats and horses, with no side effects whatsoever. It heals up every superficial wound in 1-3 days and 1st-2nd degree burns in 7-10 days with no scars left behind upon cure and closure. If you like you can buy that for $100M. I am not willing to send anything but you are more than welcome to travel to my country and meet me in person. I also have loads of photos before and after. It also outruns the retinoids that are being used  to cure  severe acne and cystic acne. Retinoid treatment normally needs 1-2 months to cure cystic acne, my paste cures that in less than a week leaving no scars behind. It has a ridiculous low cost of production and it can generate Billions in sales if exploited properly…

    Back to the original formula, I have not a single clue of the Australian brand to which you refer, 10-15 yrs ago I was still a student in the School of Pharmacy and had no idea I was going to evolve like this… I never claimed of being the first one, the are other formulas that create this effect (those normally rely upon using Argireline to high level usually about 25%, toxicollogically they are safe ) mine just takes it a bit further and its result does not rely  on powders creating soft focus effect, the user does not require to stand still at all, plus, if for any reason the face gets washed after the application the result still remains and its gets amplified as time passes…

    The girl on the photo with the scar, she was involved in a car crash, she lives about 700kms(500 miles or so) away from me and I was contacted by her family, the stitching was done on a public hospital and I treated her since day one.right after the stiches were removed..the photo in after is not the final result, today nothing is visible, I just posted this as I had it handy…

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 3:14 pm

    Abdullah said:

    Pharma said:

    Dreamer77 said:

    You can talk to me about lighting now…thank you all

    It was a serious question, no reason to go cocky.

    BTW the latest trick available here around against scaring is simply a blend of three different cp silicone oils (10 g for > 40$). The best thing is still the base cream and proper care, not fancy ingredients ;) .

    Can i ask which silicone oils?

    He must be referring to mix of 350,100 and 50 cp silicones and create some sort of silicone hydrogel..

  • Pharma

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    April 8, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    Abdullah said:

    Can i ask which silicone oils?

    The product is made by Stratapharma. The label says ‘polysiloxane, siloxane resin’; the former is also known as dimethicone. Obviously, not even the sales rep knows which ones exactly.
    I’ve tried it and it feels different than, say, pure 350 cp. My guess is that it also contains a volatile or very low viscosity one besides the liquid ‘base’ silicone alongside the high MW film forming derivative. Its a quite well spreading gel which dries quickly and leaves a film for many hours which is super hard to wash off even with soap.
    I’m not saying silicones are the only thing which works (though they work great, especially if not used in emulsion form). The main thing is proper wound care.
  • Microformulation

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    April 8, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    The anecdotal evidence in this post is persistent. There are ways to quantify these results. What instrumentation has been used? Has a Claims Substantiation Service (crucial) weighed in?

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 11:08 pm

    The anecdotal evidence in this post is persistent. There are ways to quantify these results. What instrumentation has been used? Has a Claims Substantiation Service (crucial) weighed in?

    Definately, soon I will come back with official numbers.  I have arranged for some basic tests, skin hydration test is the cheapest one. The clinical tests are the most expensive ones but I will have them performed anyway. Recently I have started another type of investment which has set me back, however I am really pleased with the results I have so far as my formula is destined to be  the queen among the creams that circulate out there…..so far the unofficial results back up my claim and give me confidence when I am selling it, like I said, one application is enough to convince and create a new customer.

    also, regarding scar treatment…. I have never used silicone on skin formulas, I prefer using other materials..sure thing silicone is cheap as hell but its not luxury or premium, I use dimethicone however when I prepare the anti-lice hair lotion I make…… basically I have used a US patented formula as a starting point and evolved it so as to be effective on the eggs as well.

    there is a difference between a good emulsion and an effective one….if you do some research here and there, specially on patented formulas or pubblished clinical results you can have a good starting point which will help you formulate something both unique and highly effective, especially if you invest time energy and money into it, that’s why I needed 3 years of sourcing and testing actives, butters,oils, extracts, emulsifiers and so on only for a single formula…the best thing however is that I have created quite a few unique things as a result. 

  • Dreamer77

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    April 8, 2021 at 11:15 pm

    Pharma said:

    …In both your pictures and the ones highlighting the Olay product, the lighting is completely different in each picture…

    So how comes that in all of your pictures, the right one looks like when I hit the ‘auto-adjust colors’ button in IrfanView? Everything seems altered: brightness, contrast, gamma, saturation…

    Top to bottom, I photographed 1-5…the others were sent to me by the users… I work with photos, I ask them to send me photographs so as I can see their skin, flaws, problems as I work on these issues… really I do not know how to adjust those parameters and honestly I wouldn’t bother as there’s no point for me doing that..

  • Abdullah

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    April 9, 2021 at 2:26 am

    Pharma said:

    Abdullah said:

    Can i ask which silicone oils?

    I’m not saying silicones are the only thing which works (though they work great, especially if not used in emulsion form). The main thing is proper wound care.

    Can you provide some more details on this part”especially if not used in emulsion form”?

    Does emulsion form reduce the effects of silicone? If yes,why?

    By forms other than emulsion, do you mean mixing silicone in oil or another silicone?

  • Abdullah

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    April 9, 2021 at 2:27 am

    @Dreamer77 which country are you living in? 

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