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  • Preservative quantity suggestion for 0.5% allantoin+0.25% tetrasodium EDTA solution

    Posted by Abdullah on March 26, 2022 at 8:25 am

    I am making a simple solution of 0.5% allantoin + 0.25% tetrasodium EDTA in water.
    pH adjusted to 5-5.5 with citric acid. 
    Packaging is in 220ml flip top cap.

    What amount of phenoxyethanol+ caprylhydroxamic acid do you recommend as preservative for this solution? 

    Abdullah replied 2 years ago 2 Members · 11 Replies
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  • PhilGeis

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 11:22 am

    Try 0.3/0.5.  Have seen stability issues with EDTA and another hydroxamic acid Zn complex ZPT .  Don’t know if efficacy impacted.  Suppose AET will reveal.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 12:50 pm

    @PhilGeis thanks

    1. Do you mean 0.3% phenoxyethanol and 0.5% caprylhydroxamic acid?

    2. Is this stability issue something we can see and notice by simple observation of product? 
    I am using 0.6% phenoxyethanol+ 0.15% caprylhydroxamic acid+ 0.2% tetrasodium EDTA at pH 5.1 in anionic emulsion and haven’t noticed any problem or instability in samples from 6 months ago.

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 12:52 pm

    no - 0.5% phenoxy/0.3% cap hydroxamic acid.  Be aware - this does leave a paper weakness vs Gram positive bacteria.

    Prob not see - as in color or phase stability - but in AET testing.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 2:07 pm

    @PhilGeis would increasing the amount of phenoxyethanol or adding 0.3% glyceryl Caprylate cover Gram positive bacteria?

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 2:34 pm

    not much - but test the product.  Gram negatives are you biggest worry.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 2:51 pm

    PhilGeis said:

    not much - but test the product.  Gram negatives are you biggest worry.

    Thanks

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 2:56 pm

    Can you describe packaging? Gram + (staph) is largely an in-use risk.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    March 26, 2022 at 3:23 pm

    PhilGeis said:

    Can you describe packaging? Gram + (staph) is largely an in-use risk.

    It is 220ml HDPE bottle with flip top cap.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    March 27, 2022 at 9:44 am

    @PhilGeis gentle reminder 

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    March 27, 2022 at 10:18 am

    Prob ok. 

  • Abdullah

    Member
    March 27, 2022 at 1:30 pm

    PhilGeis said:

    Prob ok. 

    Thanks

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