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  • Phase Inversion

    Posted by Rufiano on May 6, 2024 at 3:35 am

    Anybody know what causes phase inversion of w/o cream to o/w cream?

    To ask for ur help, thank you everyone.

    Rufiano replied 5 days, 17 hours ago 4 Members · 13 Replies
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  • geepee

    Member
    May 6, 2024 at 6:03 pm

    Is this happening to one of your formulas? If so:

    What are your ingredients and phases?
    What is your method?

    Then I can see what you might be missing in your formula and help from there.

    • Rufiano

      Member
      May 6, 2024 at 10:52 pm

      Here’s the formula:

      Aquadest

      Glycerin

      Chlorpenesin

      Cetyl Alc

      Glyceryl monostearate

      Glycol cetearath

      Span 80

      Plurol oleique

      IPM

      Mineral Oil

      ZnO

      Can you help me what is wrong with my formula?

      Thanks a lot

  • Rufiano

    Member
    May 6, 2024 at 10:55 pm

    I’ve done accelerated stability test (at 60 celcius), and my cream experienced a phase change after 3 weeks…

    • PhilGeis

      Member
      May 7, 2024 at 10:05 am

      3 weeks at 60C? This is excessive - relevance to real life long term aging is highly doubtful.

      • This reply was modified 1 week, 5 days ago by  PhilGeis.
      • Rufiano

        Member
        May 7, 2024 at 9:46 pm

        Sorry i didnt get it, what do you mean excessive? the temperature, isn’t it?

        • geepee

          Member
          May 7, 2024 at 9:50 pm

          60C is too hot, most stability tests are done at 40C

          • Rufiano

            Member
            May 7, 2024 at 10:03 pm

            It’s about my R&D SOP in my company & i always use that temperature for acccelerated test, for other product too

            But geepee, can you tell me whats wrong on my formula? am i using too much w/o emulgator?

            Previous, i once used mgso4 for stabilizer at water phase but the result was same, stable on 3 weeks only.

            • PhilGeis

              Member
              May 8, 2024 at 4:22 am

              3 weeks at 60C is BS. If that’s the only condition that causes the issue - then you have no issue. T

              Some officious clown in your company has you guys wasting your time and energy for no benefit.

  • ketchito

    Member
    May 7, 2024 at 8:55 am

    Hi. Could you write the proper INCI for Glycol cetearath? Also, it’ be nice to know at least how much of this and of Span 80 you’re using, as well as the amount of your oil phase and some details about your manufacturing process.

    • Rufiano

      Member
      May 7, 2024 at 9:51 pm

      I used Emplilan EGMS with the INCI is Glycol cetearath.

      Here’s:

      Cetyl OH 2%

      Gms 4%

      Glycol cete 1%

      Span 80 2%

      Plurol 3%

      Do i use too much emulgator??

      • Rufiano

        Member
        May 7, 2024 at 9:54 pm

        My formula is about 75% water phase & 25% oil phase.

        And i add the water phase to oil phase ad 70 C…

  • ketchito

    Member
    May 10, 2024 at 6:17 am

    Since it’s a w/o emulsion, are you adding the water phase very very slowly? Also, w/o emulsions require some inorganic salts for stabilization.

    • Rufiano

      Member
      May 13, 2024 at 11:17 pm

      Yes, i am adding the water phase to oil phase slowly (drops by drops using pipet) and i used mgs04 as electrolyte stabilizer in water phase

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