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  • pH drop in emulsion

    Posted by DandyFormulator on July 25, 2014 at 7:55 am

    What would cause a pH drop by about one point in an emulsion? It is stabilized by carbomer/TEA. Is this a sign that it is destabilizing? All other parameters are in spec.

    DandyFormulator replied 9 years, 9 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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  • MakingSkincare

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    July 26, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Can you give the full formula in %? It’s hard to troubleshoot without this.

  • Chemist77

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    July 28, 2014 at 12:13 am

    Check the microbial profile, it brings the pH down if there is any contamination. Or maybe the acid component/carbomer of your formula was not completely neutralized and now on standing the alkali has reacted with acidic components bringing the pH down.
    I cant think of 3rd reason without knowing formula profile.

  • DandyFormulator

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    July 28, 2014 at 7:49 am

    Hi All!  Sorry I wasn’t able to get back to you until now.  Here is the breakdown of the fomrula:

    Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer 0.1 (not actually a carbomer)

    Arnica Extract                                                  0.1

    Cetearyl Alcohol & Polysorbate 60                6.0

    Polysorbate 80                                                  4.0

    Methyl Salicylate                                               10.0

    Vanillyl Butyl Ether                                             0.4

    Glyceryl Stearate                                               3.0

    Isopentyl Diol                                                      2.0

    o-Cymen-5-ol (preservative)                             0.1

    Ethylhexylglycerin (preservative)                      0.75

    AMP (sorry - not actually TEA!)                        0.09

     

    The formula started out at a pH of about 7, and over 2 months has dropped to about 5.7.  I don’t understand.

     

  • Bobzchemist

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    July 28, 2014 at 9:25 am

    It happens - that’s why we do stability tests. Have you considered using a pH buffer?

  • DandyFormulator

    Member
    July 28, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    That is my next step, Bob. I was just wondering if anyone has seen this type of thing happen in an emulsion, and is a pH drop like that a destabilization route? 

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