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  • PH Drift - Is both an UP and DOWN ingredient needed ?

    Posted by mikebavington on February 1, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    I was looking at KY Jelly and its ingredients:

    Water - Solvent, Dilutent, Moisturizer
    Glycerin - Humectant
    Hydroxyethylcellulose - Emulsifier, Thickening, Stability 
    Chorhexadine Gluconate - Preservative
    Gluconolactone - Chelating agent, PH drop, PHA, Moisturizer
    Methylparaben - Preservative
    Sodium Hydroxide - PH increase
    So, I think I understand the purpose of all the ingredients, however, I just wanted to point out the Sodium Hydroxide at the end of the ingredient list and ask if both a PH up and PH down ingredient is necessary in each formula to prevent PH DRIFT. Can you simply put one PH ingredient in a formula, reach the desired PH and be confident that it wont drift that much (depending on the ingredients), or has the industry found out that two PH ingredients - up and down -  are needed to prevent the drift. Any hard and fast rules?
    Bill_Toge replied 10 years, 4 months ago 3 Members · 3 Replies
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  • mikebavington

    Member
    February 1, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    By the way, I realize that all ingredients, effectively, contribute to final PH; but in general, most formulas seem to have distinct PH influencing ingredients.

  • chemicalmatt

    Member
    February 3, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Mike,

    I think the only rule is how exacting your ingrdient disclosure needs to be to satisfy the legal department in a case such as this.  Were this a routine personal care formulation, I would not bother reporting the NaOH, and none would be the wiser, especially since you and I know it does not exist in its purely ionic form but more so as a salt with methylparaben in this case.  After considering any possible legal claims against the KY makers (J&J, right?) by KY users could prop up, I’m sure the lawyers said “list it”.

  • Bill_Toge

    Member
    February 9, 2014 at 11:10 am

    at my last workplace, we made some products where the pH varied a lot from batch to batch - if a given batch was outside the pH spec, caustic soda and citric acid were respectively used to bring the pH up or down

    in process, the pH of the batch started high and was brought down with citric acid, so caustic soda additions were very rarely needed

    however, it was still included on the ingredients list, because it was intentionally added to the product at the design stage, even though most batches didn’t contain it in practise

    I suspect it’s being used in the same way here - to raise the pH if it’s initially too low

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