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    Posted by Graillotion on April 4, 2022 at 3:00 am

    On one of the mommy blogger sites I frequent, there is one mommy that pipes up EVERY time ethanol is discussed.  With every mention of ethyl alcohol, she boldly states that if you formulate with that, you need a permit from the ATF.

    I know typically this lore has a nugget of truth buried down deep, and you have to shovel off all the BS to find the nugget.  

    What is the nugget…as far as ethyl alcohol, and where cosmetics meets up with the ATF?

    Graillotion replied 2 years, 7 months ago 4 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Graillotion

    Member
    April 4, 2022 at 4:56 am

    I use small amounts of Everclear 190 as a solvent in a couple of extracts.  The combined totals never exceed 3% of a given formula. 

  • Microformulation

    Member
    April 4, 2022 at 4:58 pm
    You need an exemption from the ATF to purchase Tax-Free, alcohol. The exemption is pricey and likely not feasible for most DIYers. As such they will either use denatured alcohol or they will purchase from a source that taxes the alcohol. There are several suppliers.
    Most DIYers can easily use 190 proof Everclear if available. I cringe however when someone recommends using Vodka. The abv is nowhere near what the commercial products are.
    So you CAN use ethyl alcohol without ATF permission. It will just be more expensive to buy and may take some work to source.
    Alcohol does have a great deal of negative bias in the Mommy Bloggers and is practically vilified by many. It can be used safely, and there are times when it is irreplaceable in the Formulation.
  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    April 4, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    Ethanol that is normally used for inclusion in cosmetic product is SD Alcohol (Specifically Denatured Alcohol) and contains a small amount of a denaturant to make it unsuitable for drinking.  It can be as simple as Lavender Oil.  There is an industrial alcohol permit that you must acquire to purchase SD Alcohol.

  • OldPerry

    Member
    April 4, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    Alcohol does have a great deal of negative bias in the Mommy Bloggers and is practically vilified by many.

    And there is that whole exaggerated “alcohol is drying to skin” myth. 

  • Graillotion

    Member
    April 4, 2022 at 7:44 pm

    Thank you all!  That makes perfect sense.  So, it is simply about avoiding a tax.  Therefore, if using a small amount, Everclear is a logical substitute.  I like a little alcohol in formulation…kinda helps the D5 in that first impression arena.

    Aloha.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    April 4, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    Perry said:

    And there is that whole exaggerated “alcohol is drying to skin” myth. 

    Compounded by the fact that I have had numerous clients ask to avoid Cetyl Alcohol or other Fatty alcohols based upon, “Alcohol dries the skin.”

  • Graillotion

    Member
    April 4, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    Perry said:

    And there is that whole exaggerated “alcohol is drying to skin” myth. 

    Compounded by the fact that I have had numerous clients ask to avoid Cetyl Alcohol or other Fatty alcohols based upon, “Alcohol dries the skin.”

    Haven’t we seen it all! :)  But I hear…. ignorance is bliss!

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