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  • Micellar Water Another weird LOI

    Posted by EVchem on December 14, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    I’m supposed to reverse engineer this product, a Garnier Micellar water.
    Here’s the ingredients if you don’t open the link:

    Hexylene Glycol,
    Disodium Cocoamphodiacetate,
    Disodium EDTA,
    Poloxamer 184,
    Polyaminopropyl Biguanide,

    I think the ingredients are fine, but  what’s weird to me is the numbers before water and the F.I.L#. Is this an internal company thing for Garnier? Why would these be listed in-line with the ingredients? I haven’t been in this industry long so I haven’t seen that before. Does anyone know what this is?

    EVchem replied 5 years, 6 months ago 10 Members · 15 Replies
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  • OldPerry

    December 14, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    I don’t know what that code is. Here are some possibilities

    1. The lot number of the production run - so they can track the batch
    2. The lot number of the label
    3. Printing mistake

    The 695899 number may be a thing that Publix puts on its web entries. I haven’t found it in other places.

  • Chemist77

    December 14, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    As @Perry points out, almost certain it is the batch reference. 

  • Doreen

    December 14, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    Aw, I had hoped for another magical mystery LOI, but no such luck. :joy:

  • Sibech

    December 16, 2018 at 7:09 pm
    @EVchem Based on the location and the hard print into the label (found it on the packaging with a google search) I find it unlikely to be a batch number, there are actual numbers printed on top of the label for that.
    I think it is an internal number for L’oreal, There are 2 numbers, the F.I.L # and the initial number. Speculation here, but So the first number could be a lot number for the label as @Perry suggests or a formulation versioning number.
    BTW, The actual packaging has the number prepending the Ingredients: so it’s not actually written as part of the Ingredients, but the website got it down wrongly.
  • OldPerry

    December 17, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    That’s a good thing to remind people about.  

    Websites get ingredient lists wrong on occasion.  

  • EVchem

    December 17, 2018 at 2:57 pm

    Yeah that’s true, on the product I have though it does actually list the numbers in the ingredients list:

  • Sibech

    December 17, 2018 at 4:20 pm
    @EVchem Well, looking at their other products it is still an anomaly. the 20R307 is more likely the batch number.
    It would be nice to know what each number represents, anyone here from L’Oreal
  • OldPerry

    December 17, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    I honestly think this is just a screw-up where they included some internal numbers and no one on the label review committee caught it.

  • Sibech

    December 17, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    @Perry I don’t think it was a mistake, just Google L’oreal Ingredients and take a look at the images. The numbers are consistently present (albeit usually prepending Ingredients: )

  • David

    December 17, 2018 at 9:45 pm

    @Sibech -yes, good point - however only L’oreal would know. It is for sure not an ingredient.
    My guess is FIL# = formulation ingredient list number, used as a double check to get the LOI correct

  • ozgirl

    December 17, 2018 at 9:52 pm
    I bought a Garnier product a few years ago that listed “ROPYLENE GLYCOL” in the ingredients list so it definitely could be an error.
    But I think as others have suggested it is probably a formulation identification number.
  • Christopher

    December 18, 2018 at 12:11 pm

    Contact them and tell them you’ve never hear of an ingredient called FIL. Maybe they’ll tell you exactly what it is. I’m intrigued by this. 

  • chemicalmatt

    December 19, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    Folks: this IS a L’Oreal (Garnier’s parent) thing. They add their reference # to the labels  quite often. Ignore. 

  • Dr Catherine Pratt

    December 25, 2018 at 9:03 am

    Are you going to use a GC-MS for reverse engineering? have they given you the funds?

  • EVchem

    December 27, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    haha no they would definitely not spare the money. I think I misused the terminology, it’s not an exact reverse engineer, they just want something similar so I’m going by LOI and knowledge of the ingredients.

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