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Home Cosmetic Science Talk General Off Topic Jergens Ultra Healing…Recall….why?

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    March 21, 2022 at 10:50 am

    Graillotion - that assumption is incorrect.  There is no preservative system that can’t be compromised.   The weak, PC systems like leucidal are much more vulnerable - and those using them are usually less capable of detecting contamination and in some cases more likely to compromise in quality.
     
    Jergen’s uses good systems a=but apparently failed in manufacturing hygiene.  It is a surprise as I know that these guys are pretty sound.   But it takes only one compromise, and the kevel of testing they invest may have found contamination that others would have missed.

    gergoviae - formerly Enterobacter has been a tough one for creams and lotions.

  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 21, 2022 at 11:18 am

    PhilGeis said:

    Graillotion - that assumption is incorrect.  There is no preservative system that can’t be compromised.   The weak, PC systems like leucidal are much more vulnerable - and those using them are usually less capable of detecting contamination and in some cases more likely to compromise in quality.
     
    Jergen’s uses good systems a=but apparently failed in manufacturing hygiene.  It is a surprise as I know that these guys are pretty sound.   But it takes only one compromise, and the kevel of testing they invest may have found contamination that others would have missed.

    gergoviae - formerly Enterobacter has been a tough one for creams and lotions.

    What percentage of phenoxyethanol combined with an antifungal can kill this bacteria? 

    Also does EDTA boost the preservative effectiveness against gergoviae the way it does for Pseudomonas aeruginosa? 

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    March 21, 2022 at 11:29 am

    The Jergen’s preservative system would be effective against the bug- as would 0.5% phenoxy.   The issue is apparently failed manufacturing hygiene against which no preservative system would hold up.  That failure might be as obscure as the use of a contaminated raw material or swab detection of the bug on a product contact surface (with no detect in product) or actual product contamination.

    Also consider that a company like Jergens would function at a more demanding spec and testing protocol than many here would apply and would reject and recall based on any isolation without looking for a retest excuse to blow off the finding.

  • OldPerry

    Professional Chemist / Formulator
    March 21, 2022 at 1:45 pm

    They may also have used a contract manufacturer where they don’t have as much control over manufacture hygiene as they would at one of their own facilities.

  • Abdullah

    Entrepreneur
    March 21, 2022 at 2:22 pm

    PhilGeis said:

    The Jergen’s preservative system would be effective against the bug- as would 0.5% phenoxy.   The issue is apparently failed manufacturing hygiene against which no preservative system would hold up.  That failure might be as obscure as the use of a contaminated raw material or swab detection of the bug on a product contact surface (with no detect in product) or actual product contamination.

    Also consider that a company like Jergens would function at a more demanding spec and testing protocol than many here would apply and would reject and recall based on any isolation without looking for a retest excuse to blow off the finding.

    Thanks