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  • Is it possible to make shampoo with cationics as the main surfactants?

    Posted by Gunther on August 6, 2018 at 8:22 pm

    Aiming to go a step beyond cleansing conditioners, which often are just conditioners with some CAPB added, and don’t clean well.

    I actually tried washing my hair with 5% active Cetrimonium chloride (17% Dehyquart A)
    While detangling was brilliant, it wasn’t too cleaning.
    It had some bubbles, but still fell short of adequate foaming.

    Has cationic shampoo ever been attempted?
    Which cationics would you suggest to use?

    DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ replied 5 years, 9 months ago 4 Members · 4 Replies
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  • OldPerry

    Member
    August 6, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    It sounds like you’ve just tried a cationic shampoo so it’s definitely been attempted. I don’t think there have been any marketed though.

    There are a few problems with cationics for shampoos.

    1. They don’t foam well (as you saw)
    2. They are irritating to the eyes.
    3. They are more expensive that anionics.
    4. They don’t clean well

  • Bill_Toge

    Member
    August 6, 2018 at 10:41 pm
    as it happens, products of this type based on cationics do exist, but they’re rare
    quite a few years ago there was an antibacterial handwash based on cationics and sold under the Dettol brand; my task was to try and create a functionally equivalent product while not infringing their patents, which proved difficult
    (it was also sold as a human-use biocide rather than a cosmetic, but that’s a whole different story)
  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    August 7, 2018 at 12:20 am

    In addition to the above,cationic build up on hair when used to clean due to hydrophobic interaction.Hair becomes very dull and matted down.

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    August 7, 2018 at 12:21 am

    Correction cationics

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