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  • Ingredients for non-silicone shampoo?

    Posted by 1501 on January 22, 2021 at 4:05 am

    Hello, do you guys knows the silicone-alternative ingredients for non-silicone shampoo? (Except PQ-10 or Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride - because it’s not effective enough in my opinion).
    And can I use oil in shampoo? If can, what oil can I use and what percentage can I use for the best stability overtime? 

    jenniehunt replied 3 years, 2 months ago 5 Members · 5 Replies
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  • crillz

    January 22, 2021 at 5:42 am

    If u have to use oil I’d keep it under 1%. Coconut oil would be one.

  • Benz3ne

    January 22, 2021 at 10:33 am

    You could use other conditioning agents? Try PQ-10 and PQ-7 for instance, or cetrimonium chloride? Sodium lactate is also an option for imparting moisture.
    You can get soluble variants of oils also which may give some conditioning but will likely wash out.
    As Crillz mentioned, lower concentrations would be beneficial - considering you’re using them in a surfactant mixture, they’ve a potential for washing out anyway.

  • OldPerry

    January 22, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    PQ10 & PQ7 are the alternatives to silicone. And as you’ve found out, they don’t work as well.  In fact, nothing works as well as silicones.

    It’s like comparing a car to horse.  Silicones are cars. There are no alternatives to replace it. The best you can get are the polymers that are the equivalent to horses. They work, just a lot less efficiently.

    Of course, they are much better than oils which are a complete waste. They only make the shampoo perform worse.  Don’t put oils in shampoos. The whole point of a shampoo is to remove oils.

    Additionally, cationic surfactants like Cetrimonium Chloride will not work either. You typically can’t mix Anionic surfactants with Cationic surfactants.

  • 1501

    January 25, 2021 at 7:01 am

    @crillz @Benz3ne @Perry Thankyou very much for useful information

  • jenniehunt

    January 25, 2021 at 8:20 pm

    including dimethicone, cetyl dimethiconeCetearyl dimethiconedimethiconolstearyl dimethiconeCyclomethiconeamodimethicone, trimethylsilylamodimethicone, and cyclopentasiloxane

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