• Hair

  Improvement on leave in conditioner formula. Waxy feel

  Posted by Joaquinmd on November 8, 2023 at 5:46 pm

  Hello everyone, new here.

  I’ve been formulating for a year now so I’d consider myself quite a beginner and I need help with a formula, which im overall happy with, but it does feel slightly waxy between my fingers and I’m looking to ideally not feel that at all. Other than that it has good slip on the hair, very easy to detangle with and spreads easily

  The basic formula is as follows:

  77.5% water

  8% aloe vera juice

  3% glycerin

  2% btms

  1% seaweed extracts

  1% essential oils

  2% esters

  1% plant oils

  1% tocopherol

  1% plant keratin

  0.5% cationic guar

  Any pointers would be Greatly appreciated, Ive tried studying a lot of formulas and really like Oway ones, just as reference.

  Thank you 🙂

  • This discussion was modified 5 months, 4 weeks ago by  Joaquinmd.

  Joaquinmd replied 5 months, 3 weeks ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  Joaquinmd

  Member

  November 9, 2023 at 2:30 am

  *Forgot to put that it is BTMS 25

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  chemicalmatt

  Member

  November 9, 2023 at 8:06 am

  Notably absent is a preservative, but that is a subject for another day. Depending on the nature of those “Esters” (cetyl palmitate perhaps?) there does not appear to be anything “waxy” in there other than the 1.50% cetearyl alcohol in the BTMS-25, which is not much at all.

  Are you sure you were not trippin’ at the time? 😄

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    Joaquinmd

    Member

    November 9, 2023 at 5:47 pm

    There is 1% preservative, sorry, I didnt note it.

    I might be a bit too critical with it. I might be expecting that “soft” layer that conditioner leave on hair when I’m not using any silicones or polymers, correct me if im wrong

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  ketchito

  Member

  November 9, 2023 at 9:39 pm

  That soft layer that conditioners leave, that glide is due to emollients, which are usually silicones, esters or hydrocarbons. You have none of them (and very little cationic surfactant, which also help to have a smoother surface). I believe the oils you have in your formula are vegetable oils, which don’t feel as nice on hair (although, you don’t have much of those either).

  You also have a huge amount of Aloe Vera, which doesn’t really do much, but increasing your risk of contamination.

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    Joaquinmd

    Member

    November 10, 2023 at 4:21 am

    I will note and try each one of the things you have mentiones and see how it feels, thank you very much.

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