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hair conditioner
Hello,this is my formula for a rinse off hair conditioner. if anyone can suggest if I need to add some silicone ?Cetearyl alcohol 5%Cetrimonium chloride 1.5%Polyquaterium-68 0.5%Cosmedia Guar 1%Water q.s -
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The decision to add silicones (or any other conditioning ingredient) depends on the performance characteristics you are looking for. If you want a light conditioning effect you might add cyclomethicone but if you want more conditioning you could add dimethicone. However, if you don’t want to add silicones you might not have to either.
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Thanks perry
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I like silicones because they give me shine and helo with detangling. dimethicone is a good choice i agree. like amodimethicone even better.
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Thx Komirra.
What Preservative i should use ? -
euxyl pe9010
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oh i have to add some fragrance.
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Thats cool i assume you also going to add some puffer ingredients such as pathenol etc etc
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I like liquid germall plus since its easy to work with.
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Argan Oil is good also.
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Euxyl PE 1090/Kopcerin PE 1090 is really good for rinse-off products. Its a fast-selling item for me.
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i use the same also at 1%
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What would be the % for pantenol and argan oil?
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you know mr Balassi and Perry are the super experts on this. I find what works best for me is about 1% panthenol because it is so expensive here. I have seen it as high as 3%. I use tiny amounts of argan oil
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I was thinking the same about panthenol (about 1%) and 0.5-1% argan oil. Both are expensive here.
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It seems to me that you’re lacking a fundamental conditioner ingredient (eg. BTMS) - you’re going to get what I got when I tried the same: a good detangler but not a conditioner.
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In truth, Panthenol and Argan oil are claims ingredients. Whether you use 1%, 0.5% or 0.01% will not matter. They will not have a consumer-noticeable effect whether it is in the product or not. At least that has been my experience. I came to the conclusion doing double blinded testing on formulas with and without the ingredients.
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Panthenol and Argan oil. Considering that the conditioner is an emulsion, I would not include Panthenol except at say 0.1% as a puff ingredient. Before you include any oil in a conditioner, you need to check to see if it is Malessezia food. I can’t comment on Argan for that, because I haven’t done the research.
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So they are used just to speculate? Or in other words, it is added in small quantities (0.1%) just for ad purpose?
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@em88 - Yes, just added for claims purposes. The only formulators who use them at higher levels are those who have been mislead by the marketing departments of the raw material companies.
If you did a blinded with / without test using Panthenol it’s highly unlikely you would be able to figure out which is which.
Argan oil has about the same fatty acid composition as Olive Oil and will perform the same as it in a hair care product. In a shampoo, it will depress foam. In a conditioner, it may stay behind on hair to provide conditioning. But adding too much will result in the hair being weighed down.
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Awesome info! It would be great to read an article regarding adding different oils in shampoo. Any information is much appreciated!
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@Perry
In truth, Panthenol and Argan oil are claims ingredients. Whether you use 1%, 0.5% or 0.01% will not matter.Couldn’t agree more. I don’t understand the whole run on different kinds of (expensive) oils (like Argan, Prickly Pear etc), if you compare the oil profiles, there is nothing exceptional about it apart from some fatty acid content differences. It must be the idea of luxury I guess…
And I’m really tired of seeing vitamin claims on oils, lots of sellers (not only the Etsy/Amazon kind) claim their oils are containing water soluble vitamins naturally, like several B vitamins and especially vitamin C. I sometimes wonder if they are just plain stupid, or do they know they are selling lies? -
The only formulators who use them at higher levels are those who have been mislead by the marketing departments of the raw material companies.
And the only formulators who use levels below 1% are those who need to do so because the seller wants to mislead the customers by ‘spectacular Argan benefits’ claims, while customers are only paying for marketing, not the Argan.
@em88
Why would you incorporate an expensive ingredient like Argan and/or panthenol only at low levels because they are expensive? Isn’t that deceiving? -
the South African market loves Argan. The marketing people has made it out to be the best thing since sliced cheese for ladies hair.
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I wouldn’t. I knew that there are lots of companies doing this, but I’m surprised that this thing is becoming so normal.
When I add an API (oils in this case) the quantity is justified on its pharmacological effect and it is based by pharmaceutical/medical scientific articles/books. -
@sven
Sliced cheese for ladies hair? :#
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