Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating (‘Green’) chelant recommendations at pH ~3.5 ?

  • fareloz

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    June 2, 2023 at 8:53 am

    Not a chemist by as I understand any organic acid will react with metal ions? I mean coffee machine descales are usually citric or lactic acid. Also Citric acid is usually mentioned as weak chelator.

    There is an option of Sodium phytate, not sure if it can be used at low pH, but lotioncrafter says it works under pH < 6: https://lotioncrafter.com/products/sodium-phytate

    • evchem2

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      June 2, 2023 at 10:01 am

      thanks for your response. I have seen that is typical for many descaling products, but my understanding is that the lower the pH the more each of these acids exists in protonated form, making them less efficient as sequestrants. I think phytic acid sounds like a good option, just wanted to see if there were any others or additional things to consider.

  • ketchito

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    June 2, 2023 at 10:20 pm

    You could consider also MGDA or GLDA (although, at the pH you require, MGDA might be more appropiate).

  • Abdullah

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    June 3, 2023 at 12:06 am

    MGDA might be better than GLDA but at such low pH the only option seems to be phytic acid.

  • ketchito

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    June 3, 2023 at 8:42 am

    @Abdullah Keep in mind that at low pH, cations (specially small ones) compete for binding sites with H+. That’s why you see that behavior shown in the graph. That shouldn’t be different if you had Phytic acid (I found a paper mentioning that no significant binding from Phytic acid to Ca2+ was found at pH lower than 5. The binding of group d metal ions (like Fe2+ and Cu2+) has the advantage of both relative cation size and back donation, which make complexes more stable.

  • ketchito

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    June 4, 2023 at 11:18 pm

    I wouldn’t rely on supplier’s data. You might want to check this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3711890/

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