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    Posted by MartinaM on June 7, 2018 at 8:38 am

    Dear all,

    I am using glycol distearate as a pearlizing agent (SLES, glycol distearate and cocamide DEA). I changed the type of viscosity modifier carbomer to NaCl because it is SLES based product. Do you know why the glycol distearate is not pearlizing after few days in the product without carbomer?

    Thank you for your help.

    Martina

    DAS replied 5 years, 9 months ago 6 Members · 13 Replies
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  • Gunther

    Member
    June 8, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    Did glycol distearate precipitate at the bottom?
    The only thing I can think of is that carbomer helps suspend the EGDS particles from falling down.

    You shouldn’t need carbomer to properly pearlize
    so you’d better switch to a pre-made all-in-one pearlizer (like Euperlan) or try Ethylene Glycol MONOstearate, which is reportedly easier to use.

    https://chemistscorner.com/cosmeticsciencetalk/discussion/1277/glycol-distearete-issue-in-surfactant-system

  • belassi

    Member
    June 8, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    Yeah, agree with Gunther. Cold pearl is so easy to use and avoids all the extra heating and melting and combining… just mix it in.

  • MartinaM

    Member
    June 11, 2018 at 10:35 am

    Thank you for your comments.

    I am using AkypoSal. It is mixture of glycol distearate, SLES and cocamide DEA. Glycol distearate did not precipitate at the bottom. The pearlizing effect just dissapeared after few days. Any other idea? :)

  • Chemist77

    Member
    June 11, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    Check your pH as well,  have seen many times in lab lower pH enhancing the pearl effect. 

  • belassi

    Member
    June 11, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    Without knowing exactly what you are pearlising I can’t advise further, sorry.

  • MartinaM

    Member
    June 12, 2018 at 2:22 pm

    It is liquid laundry detergent with pH 8,5. The same pH with nice pearlizing effect and without it. We are using SLES, cocamidopropyl betaine, potassium soap, lauryl glucoside, ethoxylated alcohol, enzymes, parfume, preservative.

  • Anonymous

    Guest
    June 12, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    akyposal ( and the other pearling agents as well ) often ‘disappears’
    when the temperature during the process is above 50-60 degrees….is that a
    possibility? Furthermore, for proper pearling effect we used to use at around
    1% of pearling agent.

  • Gunther

    Member
    June 12, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    IMO SLES and CAPB may be too foaming for clothes washing, especially for machine washers which may not fully rinse all foam out.

    You can try some extra chelator (EDTA if you can use it), Sodium citrate or citric acid, than in personal cleaners.

    You may wish to add a sulfonate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkylbenzene_sulfonates
    If you do it yourself neutralizing a sulfonic acid, Potassium hydroxide yields better results than Sodium hydroxide does. Be careful and wear protective gear. Be especially careful when diluting Potassium hydroxide, it heats itself.

    You can try Sodium Lauryl Sulfate instead or besides SLS, for better cleaning.

    https://www.happi.com/contents/view_features/2012-04-02/formulating-liquid-laundry-detergents

  • Chemist77

    Member
    June 12, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    Chelants and enzymes together is a big no, in fact you need to feed extra calcium in salt form to keep them active. Also the temperature is a very critical point to be considered. Ratio of nonionics to anionics will play a role too. Novozymes has good information for such systems. 

  • MartinaM

    Member
    August 3, 2018 at 7:37 am

    Thank you for your comments. We do not heat the mixture during the production. I tried different mixtures of pearlizing agents with no result.

  • Gene

    Member
    August 3, 2018 at 2:11 pm

    I agree with Gunther, this sounds really foamy for most washing machines… have you tried taking out the potassium soap? I would suspect this might be the problem 

  • Chemist77

    Member
    August 3, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    @Gene the soap acts as a defoamer in such laundry detergents. 

  • DAS

    Member
    August 3, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    Enzymes can act as catalysts and hydrolyse esthers. It’s the first thing i’d knock out. 

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