Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating Functional fragrances issues: incorporating fragrance into cosmetic products

  • IrinaTudor

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    November 8, 2014 at 8:41 am

    I’m sorry to hear about the irritation, @MarkBroussard! And great input @Bobschemist, thank you.

    I myself suffer from eczema and allergies so I am really careful especially with all naturals as those contain most and highest % of allergens.

    Not all citrus is created equal though, and most are irreplaceable in terms of olfactory value. I would say: stay away from cold pressed peel citrus oils, try the steam distilled ones and terpeneless ones. Bergamot bergaptene free oils is one of my favorites together with petitgrain for use in fine fragrances and colognes.
    For sensitive skin face cleansers, avoid foamy washes and use instead alcohol free creamy cleansers with bisabolol
  • pma

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    January 2, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    I’m looking for a synthetic fragrance, specially of roses, with dimethoxymethylbenzene (I don’t know if the nomenclature for this substance is the same used by the cosmetic industry). Can anyone help-me?

  • IrinaTudor

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    January 3, 2015 at 5:10 am

    @pma a CAS number helps when one is not sure about the nomenclature. Do you mean benzaldehyde dimethyl acetal CAS 1125-88-8? And do you mean using this as a fragrance material combined with a another fragrance material that smells of roses? What is your end product?

  • braveheart

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    January 3, 2015 at 9:23 am

    Great learning curve for me from all.

    @IrinaTudor, regarding your eczema, ever tried detoxification to reduce the incidence? 
    I got into playing with this industry as a result of my bad experiences with eczema. I have tried most stuff in the market, from mineral oil, petroleum jelly, steroids, etc. But for the past 5 years, I have been making my own cream, which has made a huge difference! However, constant detoxification has also played a good part in defeating my eczema.
    Anyway, I am hoping to bring one of my formulations into the market, and thanks so much for your contributions.
  • pma

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    January 3, 2015 at 10:48 am

    TKS  Irina! According to I’m finding the CAS for this is 4179-19-5 and it’s also called orcinol dimethyl ether. I’m for this component due some marketing ideas (there are some studies showing inhaling dimethoxymethylbenzene could modulate and even improve the skin’s barrier). It would be used in moisturizers. 




  • pma

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    January 3, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    The above component can be found in rose essential oil. But I’d like a synthetic fragrance with that.

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  • markbroussard

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    January 3, 2015 at 2:42 pm

    @pma:

    Have you considered using Phenethyl Alcohol or Phenylpropanol, both of which have the fragrance of Rose and provide antimicrobial preservative boosting properties?
  • pma

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    January 3, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    My message was incomplete.. I meant “modulate stress”.

    MarkBroussard: TKS, I can use this as well… But I’d like the fragrance with the cited component as well due the studies that exist to support my marketing idea. 
  • pma

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    January 4, 2015 at 1:11 am

    Sorry Irina, I think my source was wrong. Yes, you’re right, the CAS is 

    1125-88-8.

    P.s: where’s the edit bottom?
  • yq1

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    January 12, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    Hi, I’m starting to add fragrances to a base shampoo formula. I find that some fragrances/essential oils will thin out the shampoo, is there a reason for this? 

    Another thing is that the fragrances all make an otherwise clear shampoo cloudy, is this normal? I don’t mind the appearance so much, I just worry whether it is stable.
    Thanks!!
  • belassi

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    January 13, 2015 at 11:41 am

    Two questions.

    1. Some fragrances will thin a shampoo; others will thicken. Most often it’s in the direction of thinner. Just one of those things and it is the reason why I have a large number of fragrances on my shelves that I actually don’t use in anything. I advise obtaining samples from a fragrance supplier and testing.
    2. When adding the fragrance it is important to add it to the surfactants BEFORE dilution with water to make sure the fragrance is properly emulsified. If you’ve done this and still get a cloudy shampoo then either:
    a) You are not using a surfactant that is a good enough emulsifier; or
    b) That fragrance is not compatible to make a clear shampoo.
  • yq1

    Member
    January 13, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    Is there any reason for the thinning? Could it be due to the solvent of the fragrance?

    Ah…ok, I added AFTER dilution. I will try before dilution to see if its better. 
    Thanks!! 
  • bobzchemist

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    January 13, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    Remember, please, that fragrance manufacturers have thousands of possible chemicals that might be used in any one fragrance mix, and each mix will likely have dozens of chemicals in it. That’s why testing is so important - every fragrance mix is very likely to be completely and totally different from every other mix - there is absolutely no reason to think that changing a fragrance will result in a product that behaves the same way as the product with the original fragrance does.

  • ozgirl

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    January 13, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    I came across this list the other day on the IFRA website. It is a list of chemicals reported to be included in fragrances.

    http://www.ifraorg.org/en-us/ingredients#.VLWrAC6zExJ

    With over 3000 chemicals included on the list it is no wonder we see such different behavior from different fragrances even when used in the same base.

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