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    Posted by ttk102360 on April 1, 2021 at 6:39 am

    I see the formula lose viscosity after 2 days. What can I do to fix it? Thanks
    A
    Cetyl PEG/PPG-10/1 Dimethicone                                                      2.5
    Silica                                                                                                   2
    Dicaprylyl Carbonate                                                                           3
    ISONONYL ISONONANOATE                                                                 2
    Parlem 4                                                                                              6
    Phenoxyethanol (and) Ethylhexylglycerin                                            0.9
    B
    Water                                                                                                74.3
    Chamomilla Recutita Flower Extract, Acer saccharum Extract,
    Portulaca Oleracea Extract and Butylene glycol                                     2
    Arisaema Amurense Extract, Decyl Glucoside, 1,2-Hexanediol             1
    KAPPAPHYCUS ALVAREZII EXTRACT                                                      2
    Propadiol                                                                                              3
    NaCl                                                                                                     1
    EDTA                                                                                                   0.2

    Pharma replied 3 years, 8 months ago 4 Members · 4 Replies
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  • Pattsi

    Member
    April 1, 2021 at 11:36 am

    high speed
    add a lil xanthan
    add Hydrogenated polyisobutene a bit
    drop diol a bit
    or sub NaCl with Magnesium Sulfate
    should be ok around 1 month or so

    pure KAPPAPHYCUS ALVAREZII EXTRACT 2? or KIRIBIRTH BG 2?

    why w/o?

  • ttk102360

    Member
    April 1, 2021 at 5:04 pm

    Pattsi said:

    high speed
    add a lil xanthan
    add Hydrogenated polyisobutene a bit
    drop diol a bit
    or sub NaCl with Magnesium Sulfate
    should be ok around 1 month or so

    pure KAPPAPHYCUS ALVAREZII EXTRACT 2? or KIRIBIRTH BG 2?

    why w/o?

    KIRIBIRTH BG, Yes. Thank

  • chemicalmatt

    Member
    April 1, 2021 at 5:11 pm

    I would not add xanthan gum or any other gum or polymer to a water-in-oil (inverse) emulsion such as this one. Easier: reduce propanediol to half that amount and most importantly HOMOGENIZE the pants off this when complete. Bear in mind all inverse-phase emulsions are intrinsically unstable , so don’t freak out if you see a little syneresis under stability testing or after six months RT.

  • Pharma

    Member
    April 1, 2021 at 7:30 pm
    @chemicalmatt What’s the issue with propanediol in w/o? Are other diols better or even worse? That’s beyond the horizon of knowledge & experience ;) .
    Some manufacturers and theory say that polymers are actually a good thing (catchword Geltrap). However, it highly depends on the inner surface charge and the polymer’s charge as well as the amount polymer:interface -> failure is probably more likely than success if one simply guesses the amount of polymer to add.

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