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  • Critique my niacinamide moisturizer? BTMS, Floraesters, Cholesterol..

    Posted by Zink on October 7, 2020 at 6:52 pm
    Ingredient Name % Phase
    Distilled Water 72.2 Water
    Glycerin (Vegetable) 4.5 Water
    Niacinamide 3.0 Water
    Floraesters K-20W 1.5 Water
    Allantoin 0.3 Water
    Xanthan Gum 0.3 Water
    Glycolic Acid q.s Water
    Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride 5.0 Oil
    BTMS-25 4.0 Oil
    Safflower Seed Oil (High Linoleic) 3.0 Oil
    DuraQuench IQ SA (Cetyl alcohol, Isostearyl Isostearate, Potassium Cetyl Phosphate, Cetyl stearate, Stearic Acid) 2.5 Oil
    Spectrastat G2 N (Caprylhydroxamic Acid, Glyceryl Caprylate, Glycerin) -OR-
    Spectrastat OEL (Caprylhydroxamic acid, Caprylyl glycol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Propanediol)
    1.2 Oil
    Dimethicone CPS1000 1.0 Oil
    Cholesterol 1.0 Oil
    Vitamin E, Mixed Tocopherols 50% 0.5 Oil

    Looking to make a relatively cheap to manufacture, sleek whole body moisturizer for year-round general use that gives long lasting moisturization and TEWL reduction with relatively low viscosity that’s beneficial for acneic skin. Considered Lotionpro 165 instead of BTMS, but prefer the latter’s sleek skin feel.

    Initially I toyed around with using individual ceramides and linoleic acid in its FFA form, but some studies show these ingredients causing problems and the evidence for them isn’t overwhelming, so reverted to safer and cheaper ones like cholesterol and safflower seed oil as a source of linoleic acid (in its triglyceride form, which still seems to do some good over time). Isostearyl Isostearate also has some decent evidence of TEWL reduction, my thinking is that it won’t make the formula too thick or comedogenic at a relatively low use level. 

    Glycolic acid is there to adjust pH to 4.5. Dimethicone is on anti-soaping duty. Leaning towards using Spectrastat OEL due to its much lower cost than G2 N.

    Pattsi replied 3 years, 6 months ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • jemolian

    Member
    October 8, 2020 at 12:53 am

    You will need to confirm the xanthan is compatible with the BTMS, though i’m not sure about the DuraQuench if it will be, if not you can try replacing it with a non-ionic liquid crystal emulsifier. 

    What is the require or restriction for acneic skin anyway? Just curious. 

  • Graillotion

    Member
    October 8, 2020 at 3:04 am

    What form of Niacinamide are you using?  At that pH doesn’t it cause some issues? (Nicotinic acid?)

  • Zink

    Member
    October 8, 2020 at 12:17 pm
    You will need to confirm the xanthan is compatible with the BTMS

    Good point I forgot about that, replacing it with sclerotium gum.¨

    What is the require or restriction for acneic skin anyway? Just curious. 

    I have a lot of customers with acne, and I still (urgh) am prone to break out on both face and body, so anything with some benefit for acne but also normal skin is good (e.g. using niacinamide and making sure it’s not too comedogenic esp for those with already oily skin).

    What form of Niacinamide are you using?  At that pH doesn’t it cause some issues? (Nicotinic acid?)

    Niacinamide powder, no it’s only an issue with strong acids or high concentrations of weak acids (AHAs) potentially:

    “In the study “Rate Studies on the Hydrolysis of Niacinamide” and they were using hydrochloric acid to perform the experiment in the acid region (which is all we care about here).  This is a significant detail as hydrochloric acid is a strong acid whereas AHA’s are weak acids.   Acid strength is not just about how much you put in a formula – 10%, 20%, 2% etc – it is also about how readily the acid let’s go of its hydrogen ion – its dissociation constant.  Strong acids completely dissociate in water meaning that even at low % concentrations the acid is quite potent. Weak acids have only a tiny part of themselves raring to go meaning that even at high concentrations they won’t be quite so aggressive.   The above study found that a 10% Niacinamide solution heated to around 89C and then taken to a pH of below 4.5 with a STRONG acid did start to hydrolyse and form Niacin and that this conversion was a first order reaction which basically means it went from Niacinamide to Niacin without turning into anything else first.  The study found that between pH 4.5-6 very little of this crazy game of shape shifting occurred.  In fact at pH 4.5 – 6 the half-life of the solution was found to be 1000 days which probably means that the average cosmetic formulator has little to worry about.”

  • Pattsi

    Member
    October 8, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    Isn’t Cholesterol need around 120 °C to melt? Can Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride withstand the heat? 

    in skinceuticals they use Hydrogenated Polyisobutene
    or you can try Isopropyl Lauroyl Sarcosinate but it is quite expensive.

  • Zink

    Member
    October 8, 2020 at 1:30 pm
    Isn’t Cholesterol need around 120 °C to melt? Can Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride withstand the heat? 

    Around 145C, but it’s soluble in other oils and organic solvents so it generally solubilizes without needing high heat.

  • Pattsi

    Member
    October 9, 2020 at 10:45 am

    Zink said:

    Around 145C, but it’s soluble in other oils and organic solvents so it generally solubilizes without needing high heat.

    Thank you @Zink . The last time i try i failed, have give it another go.

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