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    Posted by Rockstargirl on August 10, 2022 at 12:59 pm

    Working on a bi phase hydrating mist for face. My client is really intense on having a “fresh scent” but also wants hemp oil. I’ve kept the hemp to 1% for colour only. She’s no presented me with a very “musky/woody” essential oil combo for fragrance. Obviously our definition of “fresh” was different. I’d like to convince her to use a synthetic blend for fragrance to reduce irritation. Any tips on and pros/cons I can present her? Or just go with the EO?

    vitalys replied 1 year, 10 months ago 9 Members · 15 Replies
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  • grapefruit22

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 1:14 pm

    - if it is a leave-on product, then when using essential oils you will likely exceed the allowable amount of allergens and will have to list them in the EU
    - the scent of the same essential oil from the same manufacturer may differ between batches, sometimes these differences are really very noticeable.

    Personally, I don’t like products whose scent is created with essential oils, it’s irritating and too intense for me.

  • Rockstargirl

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 1:28 pm

    Thanks! Good points. EO always smells the same to me and I’m not a fan either. I know I’m projecting my bias but she can do better 

    - if it is a leave-on product, then when using essential oils you will likely exceed the allowable amount of allergens and will have to list them in the EU
    - the scent of the same essential oil from the same manufacturer may differ between batches, sometimes these differences are really very noticeable.

    Personally, I don’t like products whose scent is created with essential oils, it’s irritating and too intense for me.

  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 1:28 pm

    @Rockstargirl

    It’s always the client’s decision.  Just advise her of the issue with using EO’s and the potential for irritation and let her choose.  It is not unusual for a client to make a bad choice despite your best advice, but really not worth your time and energy to try to convice them otherwise beyond advising them of the issues and options. 

    But, do make sure that you have a means of securing additional payment for you to redo the formula with fragrance oils once they realize they should have taken your advice to begin with.  Generally, if a client has to pay more money for you to correct their poor decision against your advice, from that point forward, they heed your counsel.

  • Rockstargirl

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 1:53 pm

    Very very good advice. Thank you

    @Rockstargirl

    It’s always the client’s decision.  Just advise her of the issue with using EO’s and the potential for irritation and let her choose.  It is not unusual for a client to make a bad choice despite your best advice, but really not worth your time and energy to try to convice them otherwise beyond advising them of the issues and options. 

    But, do make sure that you have a means of securing additional payment for you to redo the formula with fragrance oils once they realize they should have taken your advice to begin with.  Generally, if a client has to pay more money for you to correct their poor decision against your advice, from that point forward, they heed your counsel.

  • grapefruit22

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 2:29 pm

    I don’t see a big difference in citrus oils, rather it concerns floral oils. And I can also notice that the scent can change during storage.
    Speaking of possible irritation, I would point out that essential oils are more likely to cause side effects. Just to avoid the situation that your customer chooses fragrance oil following your advice, and then it turns out that the fragrance oil causes irritation, it is also possible.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 4:45 pm

    You need to use less FO to get the same scent intensity. 

  • Graillotion

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 6:39 pm

    Here is what I do with the mommy bloggers….and it works every time.

    Show them a GCMS of an essential oil.  Tell them the average EO contains 150 different chemicals…..that usually gets it done.

    GC_ChamomileGermanEssentialOil(Bulgaria).pdf (newdirectionsaromatics.com)

    If not…. then explain how FO’s are made…. things like…they typically have less than 150 ingredients… Potent allergens and toxins are generally left out…. which cannot be said for EO’s.

    If that doesn’t work….you can get into plant defense mechanisms…. where plants produce toxins/poisons/allergens/irritants for their very survival of the species.  The EO distillation process does not discriminate, so you are often getting a concentrated level of these defense mechanisms.  Remind them….most of the great poisons of the world…are plant derived.

    EO’s would not be smothered in dermal limits….if there wasn’t a VERY GOOD reason.

    With the advent of ‘natural’ FO’s…you can really get something nice….with about 1/3 the ingredient count.

    I also found a company the other day will looking for DMAE….they have some fragrances…that have 4-6 ingredients.  (And they LIST those ingredients.)

    Exotic Floral Synatra Fragrance Oil | BioFuran Materials (biofuranchem.com)

  • Graillotion

    Member
    August 10, 2022 at 7:04 pm

    …. I have found the people that are so fond of the EO’s….don’t do a lot of the right kind of research… Most have never seen a GCMS… Once they pick their jaw up off the floor….they are much more open to listening.  :D  

    ***  Oh they pride themselves in thinking they did research…as they have read volumes of ‘lore’….just nothing scientific. 

  • ozgirl

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    August 10, 2022 at 10:48 pm

    You can mention that essential oils can vary by batch as the growing conditions change (drought / high rain etc) and this can cause differences in the scent. Whereas using a fragrance the scent is the same every time.

  • Squinny

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    August 12, 2022 at 1:31 am

    What’s a “Daddy Blogger” called ? A “Bloke Blogger” perhaps??

  • Graillotion

    Member
    August 12, 2022 at 3:38 am

    Squinny said:

    What’s a “Daddy Blogger” called ? A “Bloke Blogger” perhaps??

    Squinny said:

    What’s a “Daddy Blogger” called ? A “Bloke Blogger” perhaps??

    I think only in UK and Australia. :) 

    In Hawaiian…maybe Kane mea kākau?

  • Graillotion

    Member
    August 12, 2022 at 3:43 am

     She’s  presented me with a very “musky/woody” essential oil combo for fragrance. Obviously our definition of “fresh” was different. I’d like to convince her to use a synthetic blend for fragrance to reduce irritation. Any tips on and pros/cons I can present her? Or just go with the EO?

    I had an idea today….as I was doing my daily hour of weed eating…. Present her the GCMS of the EO’s she wants to introduce…NO CONTEXT… just the list of ingredients….and say….hey I was thinking about adding these 200 chemicals….what do you think?  

    Hehehe…after she is done swearing at you….disclose that is the EO’s she wanted to add.

    Note:  You can tell I do NOT work in this capacity.  :D 

  • Pattsi

    Member
    August 12, 2022 at 7:10 am

    Or exclude both EO and fragrance and go with hydrosol or some musky/woody water phase ingredients, problem solved.

  • vitalys

    Member
    August 12, 2022 at 10:24 am

    @Adamnfineman Probably, you’ll find this clinical report interesting to read

  • vitalys

    Member
    August 12, 2022 at 10:26 am

    Sorry - the wrong thread :)

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