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  • Co surfactants than increase viscosity

    Posted by Abdullah on June 20, 2020 at 3:04 am

    Other than CAPB, which co surfactants can increase the viscosity of SLES surfactant?

    belassi replied 3 years, 10 months ago 4 Members · 10 Replies
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  • belassi

    Member
    June 20, 2020 at 5:16 am

    anything with salt in it.

  • OldPerry

    Member
    June 20, 2020 at 1:30 pm

    Cocamide DEA
    Lauramide DEA

  • Abdullah

    Member
    June 22, 2020 at 9:36 am

    @Perry thanks 
    I mean from amphoteric surfactants which one Increases the viscosity? 

  • Abdullah

    Member
    June 22, 2020 at 9:37 am

    @Belassi thanks 
    Is that increase in viscosity because of that surfactant or because of the salt in it?  

  • Abdullah

    Member
    June 22, 2020 at 10:02 am

    @Perry in Shampoo, should reduce the % of active surfactant when we add cocamide DEA or should add it on top of active surfactants? 

    Surfactants are
    %10 active CAPB 
    %2.5 active lauryl glucoside
     
    Total%12 active surfactant

  • letsalcido

    Member
    June 23, 2020 at 11:37 pm

    @Abdullah but you had mentioned your primary surfactant was SLES.

    I don’t know if you can thicken CAPB and Lauryl Glucoside with DEA, you’ll want an anionic in there or use polymers.

    What is your EXACT formulation?

  • belassi

    Member
    June 23, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    Is that increase in viscosity because of that surfactant or because of the salt in it?  - Because of the salt. It has a LOT of salt in it. Might be a byproduct of the manufacture. You cannot thicken CAPB or Lauryl Glucoside with DEA. The problem with non-anionic surfactants is that you have to add thickeners, all of which impact your bottom line or/and customer appeal. Cheap = no customer appeal. Expensive = great sensorials. 

  • Abdullah

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    June 24, 2020 at 4:00 am

    @letsalcido yes it has SLES right now bought we are working on new formulas to eliminate or replace SLES.

    Current formula is 
    SLES - %6 active 
    CAPB - %3 active 
    Lauryl Glucoside - 3 active 
    Total %12 active surfactant. 

    I myself have allergy to SLES even if %1 in product so may be other people are allergic too. 

    Also want to try sodium c14-16 olefin sulfonate but haven’t purchased or used yet. Any idea about that surfactant?

  • Abdullah

    Member
    June 24, 2020 at 4:05 am

    @Belassi thanks for advice 

    I Want to purchase sodium c14-16 olefin sulfonate but MOQ is 25kg. 
    Any idea about that and how is it compared to SLES? 

  • belassi

    Member
    June 24, 2020 at 2:16 pm

    No idea, sorry. I use the ammonium based surfactants.

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