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  • Chemist and labs

    Posted by jennyfay on August 15, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    Im starting a new cosmetic line. I was wondering if you actually go to the lab and work with a chemist? Or is it all through mail and nothing actually in person?

    And if so, anyone have recommendation on labs that you can actually go to and see in person how it works?

    emily.flemer replied 5 years, 7 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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    August 15, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    I don’t know where you are but we are in NJ and invite people/clients to the lab for personal introduction.Throughout the development process we have milestone meetings and discussions. The number varies according to clients location and wishes,

  • Microformulation

    Professional Chemist / Formulator
    August 16, 2017 at 1:14 am

    It is doubtful that you will get the opportunity to go into the lab and work side by side with a Chemist. That opportunity really doesn’t exist.

    You may be able to tour a lab and see some of the facilities.

    However, as I tell my clients, it is easy to put on a “dog and pony show” and unless you really know what to look for or what to ask, the site visit is of limited value. Look at the Chemists background and their abilities. Ask about their QA/QC and cGLP programs. If they operate under these programs and/or have acheived an ISO certification, that says a great deal more than a tour.

  • jennyfay

    August 22, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    Ok thank you. Im in WA. Im having a hard time finding labs

  • Microformulation

    Professional Chemist / Formulator
    August 22, 2017 at 10:51 pm

    You will need to consider the different ways to go about this.

    You can work with a Consultant (there is a post where their services are advertised “Need Formulating Services, Here are some Contacts.”). Working with a Consultant may offer you some increased input into the process and as a start-up, it will be helpful to own the Intellectual Property (IP). The downside of this process is that you will still need to source out packaging, graphics and manufacturing sources, but most Consultants can point you in the correct direction.

    Alternatively you can work with the R&D Department of a Contract Manufacturer (CM). You may have less input as generally your interactions will be with the front office. However, if you are funded for this scenario, they will source out all the services. If owning the IP is important to you, ask the CM about this early on.

    More important is doing a real inventory and evaluation of you Business model. I see far too many entrepreneurs who under estimate the cost and complexity of the R&D process. Also, if you are a Business person, your time is best spent in developing the Marketing, Sales infrastructure and Social media. You need to look at your strengths.

    Also, get some real World costs in regards to the overall process. I see far too many people come in under funded. This will cause your business to fail or in a best case scenario move slowly until you have sufficient funding.

    Good luck and I wish you all the luck. It can be a rewarding process.

  • emily.flemer

    August 28, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    If you’re still looking for a lab, we offer full turn key.
    If you have any questions, let me know.