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  • Can’t get rid of bubbling on anhydrous hot pours

    Posted by sbiggers on July 10, 2022 at 4:40 pm

    Hi!

    Working on a foundation stick using a predispersed pigment blend from KOBO, but because they still aren’t finely enough dispersed, I run them through a triple mill roller along with my powder phase to make a uniform paste. The trouble is, no matter how I try this, no matter what ingredients I use, no matter what sort of mixing I do (center stand propeller fully submerged with no air being added in, hand blender fully submerged, hand mixing with spatula, etc.) these bubbles pop up to the surface that do not dissipate on their own and getting rid of 1 causes 5 more to pop up.

    At first I thought it may be the silica in the predispersions, but I made my own dispersion with my triple mill roll using just sunflower oil and pigments and there issue persisted.

    Help!

    Here are the ingredients I’m using btw:
    sunflower oil
    rice bran wax
    carnauba wax
    c13-15 alkane
    tocopherol
    boron nitride
    silica, dimethicone/vinyl dimethicone crosspolymer
    KOBO hydrophilic pigments (I’ve tried the predispersion in jojoba oil and polyglyceryl-6 polyricinoleate, plain oxides treated with magnesium myristate, etc.)

    sbiggers replied 2 years, 3 months ago 3 Members · 6 Replies
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  • sbiggers

    Member
    July 10, 2022 at 4:41 pm

    Here’s an example.mple.

  • sbiggers

    Member
    July 10, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    I suppose I have to continue under the assumption that somewhere air is getting into the formula while mixing and causing bubbles, so my question is if anybody knows a way to fix the bubbles once they appear? Thanks!

  • evchem2

    Member
    July 12, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    Prop mixers in general easily incorporate air, if you want to try switching to a different blade style you made find a cowles or jiffy blade works better for your system. Other tips and tricks include: moving mixer slightly off center from your batch, and periodically stopping mixing to let some larger air bubbles rise to the top (I’ve heard it called ‘burping’ the batch- when you restart do it at a lower speed if you do see some air come up).  When you do the final pour how high do you heat? Are you noticing these bubbles even when the stick solidifies?

  • chemicalmatt

    Member
    July 15, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    Ever try Antifoam? This is simethicone and quite miscible with your formula.

  • sbiggers

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 4:03 pm

    @evchem2

    I’ve tried varying final pour temps - ranging from 85*C to 110*C. I do notice bubbling in the solidifed stick. Thoughts?

  • sbiggers

    Member
    August 22, 2022 at 4:04 pm

    @chemicalmatt
    No, I haven’t - well, except for using simethicone drops for my baby’s tummy! Will look into it for this.

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