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Can sugar syrop and sorbitol be an alternative for PVP in hair styling gel?
Once upon a time I decided to make hair styling gel using “natural” hair fixing agent so I did it with sugar syrop and I made a lot of samples to see how the level of sugar syrop influence fixative and flaking effects, I gave samples for a barber to give me a feed for the product so some samples had an acceptable results.
Then by searching other solution I found a lol using sorbitol as fixing agent?
Did any one try or even have an idea about something like that?
So if we think about sugar syrop’s hair styling gel as industrial product is there any preservation challenge because the using of sugar?
Look forward to hear from all feedback
@chemicalmatt @MarkBroussard @ngarayeva001 @PhilGeis @Perry @Pharma
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Aw is a tough one. Even at levels so great bugs can’t grow - they still survive. Sugar - sucrose - would have to be about a lot! 70%, would approach 0.8 Aw. The absolute cutoff is about 0.60 so some mold could still grow. Those that could grow would do so slowly - but ISO 29621 set the cutoff for Aw as cosmetic preservative at 0.7 0
For comparison, honey is about 80% sugar, pH 3-4 and reportedly carries some other stuff bugs don’t like a little H2O2, peptides.
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@PhilGeis thanks a lot but really it seems very developed idea can you explain me with easier way ?
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Sure - the microbes need water and the sugar sucks up the water so it’s not available. Pseudomonads are water bugs so they need the most water and are most sensitive. staph grow on skin where there’s less water and molds need even less.
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@PhilGeis get it now, so as a conclusion you guess that product can be stable using preservative?
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Think so
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Thanks for your answer @PhilGeis
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Sorbitol sounds safer… If you ever sell products with sugar syrup, don’t sell to Europe during summer/fall or your customers will have a real hard time running from hungry wasps
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@Pharma so you didn’t find that good idea?
Wasps are around the word, why just Europe? Hhh -
@Fekher Arginine has excellent fixative properties as well.
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@Fekher I only know that they get aggressive here around and during the warmer seasons, especially when it’s dry and hot like this year and they are very much attracted by sweets and sting unprovoked when they’re hungry. Wasps are likely not that much nicer in other parts of the world… I simply lack personal experience on other continents, that’s all
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@Pharma actually according to what they do in Europe, in Tunisia are more kind maybe because we have a lot aromatic plants 😁😁😁, whatever nice joke from your part then keep giving interesting sciences and good jokes.
@vitalys nice new input for me , have you made a successful hair styling gel using it? -
@Fekher Yes, the creation of hair gels, hair sprays is feasible. The fixating is very similar to Lubrizol’s Fixate superhold polymer.
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I use agave and have used honey in the past! They work when humidity and dew points are manageable. They lose their ability to provide hold at high humidity and dews. They are typically used in conjunction with natural polymers like xanthan, etc. Very popular in the curly hair community. Honey is photosensitive so I’ve stopped using it. I have challenge tested one formulation with agave in it and it passed.
Kinky curly curling custard is one of the most successful commercial products that uses agave in its formulation. You may want to check it out. Never worked for my own hair but others swear by it.
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Awesome input @vitalys it seems that it has more then fixing agent as benefits just if you can recommend level of use because I just find that it is up to 18% wich is large interval.
Thanks a lot @Farah I will take a look just focusing on fixing effect I worked with very high viscous sugar syrop wich have remarkable superior fixing ability comparing to honey then no need to talk about economical difference.
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@Fekher Yes, it varies from 5% to 20% and it depends on the fixative properties you want to achieve. However, 5-8% will already bring nice fixation, especially in hair sprays.
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So generous @vitalys thanks a lot for your guidance it seems near to the interval of use for PVP 😊
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@farah did you know the gelifying agent in
Kinky curly curling custard? It seems for me intersting -
@Fekher it’s the pectin. And the agave adds additional hold.
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Yes right @Farah did you try pectine it is also natural alternative?
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@Fekher I haven’t tried pectin myself. I’ve heard it’s very difficult to work with and can get sticky. But it seems to work well in this product.
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