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Body Wash texture coarse with Oil
I am working on a creamy body wash with 5-8% oil. Initially using coconut oil, later will switch to almond oil and/or grapeseed oil. The problem is that I am getting coarse texture. I have tried different combinations of various surfactants but could not get smooth texture.
I have been using 1-2% GDS with 0.5-1% Emulsifying Wax as emulsifiers.
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My approach is completely different. I have formulated and produced since 2006 a body wash by saponifying a range of plant oils. And by modifying my saponification calculations, a small amount of the oils remain un-saponified, thus achieving a similar effect you are talking about.
I manufactured and exported my body wash range globally, plus a range of Private Label body wash. These were very popular products and a great money earner.
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Thank you Sir, for your input.
I am not sure if saponification is the standard procedure of incorporating oil in body wash and/or shampoo formulations.-
Hi Abu-Hafss,
I’m not sure of your definition of “standard procedure,” but it is something I did for 17 years until my retirement.
And global brands such as Dr Bronner’s use saponification to produce various washes, and they use similar approaches. We call it ‘super-fatting” where some oil remains un-saponified to add a skin moisturising effect to the product.
And yes, many brands opt for using synthetics…..it’s a lot easier.
Kind regards,
Dr Mike Thair
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If we add some oil like 1% to a washing liquid and mix it, after some time it goes to the top of product and doesn’t remain suspended.
How much unsaponified oil was in your product and how were you suspending it to prevent it’s migration to the top?
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Hi Abdullah,
Good question.
We saponify the oil by adding a strong base. Chemically, it is a fairly simple reaction (strong base + water + oil). And therefore there is not any “suspension” of oil. Saponification produces a single phase of liquid soap.
Kind regards,
Dr Mike Thair
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Hi
Thanks
I was asking about that unsaponified or that supper fatting oil.
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Hi Dr. Mike
What I understand about your approach is that first we convert Oil into soap solution and then mix into the blend of the surfactants. Am I right?
Next, do we get the same benefits/results as what we get by adding oil to surfactants using emulsification?
Lastly, what are the advantages of your approach other than the cost of base would be much cheaper than the emulsifiers?
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Hi again Abu-Hafss,
“What I understand about your approach is that first we convert Oil into soap solution and then mix into the blend of the surfactants. Am I right?”
No, No, NO!! The saponified oil is the surfactant, and there is no requirement to dilute this surfactant or use other surfactants. FACT: LIQUID SOAP IS A SURFACTANT.
“Next, do we get the same benefits/results as what we get by adding oil to surfactants using emulsification?”
NO. I can’t understand why you would want to add oil to surfactants.
“Lastly, what are the advantages of your approach other than the cost of base would be much cheaper than the emulsifiers?”
The main approach is that there is no use of synthetics, which are a significant source of skin irritation. This is feedback from our customers over 20 years, many who had issues with the normal synthetic-based washes.
I suggest you study the process of producing liquid soap using whole plant oils via saponification.
You are welcome to email me directly at mikethair@gmail.com
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Respected Sir
I know very well the process of making soap. I misunderstood your first reply, I thought you were addressing my issue.
There are lots of creamy body washes out there made from surfactants. They have 5-10% Oil emulsified using suitable emulsifier, which gives the creamy look to the blend. I have tried and got creamy blend but the texture turns out to be coarse.
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A quick update.
I changed oil to Sunflower Oil and tried with SLES+AOS+CAPB. Got perfect smoothness with 1% GDS only, though without pearlescent effect.
I’ll get back after trying with other surfactants.
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