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  • Are these plate counts…normal? Acceptable???

    Posted by Graillotion on December 29, 2023 at 4:39 pm

    I don’t use this product…was chasing a rabbit for someone else….and was rather surprised to see this plate count in the supporting documents.

    Is this acceptable for making a cosmetic emulsion???

    It says below that….conforms to ‘cosmetic grade’…. which I know is not that stellar. Would those counts….conform to ‘food grade’?

    @PhilGeis

    • This discussion was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by  Graillotion.
    PhilGeis replied 3 months, 2 weeks ago 4 Members · 7 Replies
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  • PhilGeis

    Member
    December 30, 2023 at 5:08 am

    Doesn’t offer reference to what standard it “conforms.” A lot of foods have counts - hamburger a million per gram or more and much of it E. coli. Food micro is more focused on specific pathogens than total counts.

    I don’t know about the material here as a food but it is clearly not acceptable as a cosmetic ingredient.

    • Graillotion

      Member
      December 30, 2023 at 1:54 pm

      It is only being sold as a cosmetic ingredient, @PhilGeis

      My question about ‘food grade’ was only a query into whether it would have tighter tolerances, than the more lax ‘cosmetic’ grade.

      I did think that was leaving a lot on the shoulders of the preservation system.

      Aloha.

      • This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by  Graillotion.
  • PhilGeis

    Member
    December 30, 2023 at 3:36 pm

    This is a tough one. Anything approaching 1% would risk OOS and FDA would take a dim view that the preservative system was used to clean up almost 10,000/gram.

    I do think calling it “cosmetic grade” is BS.

  • nicki121

    Member
    January 3, 2024 at 8:03 am

    I wonder if it would not make sense to have those high plate counts as it is an extract from a fungus? unless it was irradiated or sterilised in some other manner to reduce the inherent contamination of such an extract, but then would the supposed benefits of this extract be diminished by doing so?

    • Microformulation

      Member
      January 3, 2024 at 8:56 am

      You must deliver a safe product. The Cosmetic Market has platelet count standards. As such it’s unacceptable. I have had wholesale buyers kick back products over the issue.

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    January 4, 2024 at 5:11 am

    FD&C Act definition of “cosmetic” has 2 sections. The one with which we are familiar and the second:

    .. (2) articles intended for use as a component of any such articles; except that such term shall not include soap.”

    Ingredients of cosmetics are themselves cosmetics. FDA BAM established 1000 cfu/g as limit for all other….

    Not aware folks have been busted on this alone - but prob would come out as 483 item in an audit.

    • PhilGeis

      Member
      January 4, 2024 at 7:32 am

      btw - this does show the supplier as full of crap - calling it “Cosmetic Grade”

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