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  • All Natural Patchouli Lavender Face Wash

    Posted by mikethair on March 11, 2024 at 10:48 pm

    Here’s how to transform your daily face wash experience into a gentle, memorable ritual.

    Since 2009, I manufactured our all-natural Patchouli Lavender Face Wash from our factory on Penang Island, Malaysia.

    Now, when I say all-natural, I mean it. Here’s the ingredient list:

    Water (Aqua), Potassium Olivate (olive oil), Pogostemon cablin (Patchouli) oil, Lavandula angustifolia (Lavender) oil, Citrus aurantium bergamia (Bergamot) fruit oil.

    Yep. There are no synthetic surfactants or preservatives. And yes, I bought the ingredients directly from suppliers globally, which assures the best quality.

    Now, there’s a right and wrong way to use our Patchouli Lavender Face Wash.

    The wrong way. Squeeze an amount into the palm of your hand and apply directly to your face. It’s wasteful. And doesn’t harness the full benefit of this all-natural foaming face wash.

    And the correct way:

    First. Moisten both hands with water. Next, squirt a small amount into the palm of your hand, then work up a rich lather. Apply this lather to your face, dispersing evenly. Gently massage the lather into your face. Resist the temptation to scrub your skin because scrubbing irritates. Rinse well with water. Then, pat dry with a soft towel.

    You will transform your daily face wash experience into a gentle ritual, and the natural fragrance will cultivate a spirit of health and well-being.

    If you would like to learn more, then contact me.

    Dr Mike Thair

    Skincare Product Development and Manufacturing.

    Perry44 replied 8 months, 1 week ago 8 Members · 17 Replies
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  • Perry44

    Administrator
    March 12, 2024 at 6:20 am

    Potassium olivate is natural?

    What plant produces potassium olivate? Don’t you have to chemically react olive oil in a lab to produce potassium olivate?

    • PhilGeis

      Member
      March 12, 2024 at 6:37 am

      The saponification “exemption”?

      • Perry44

        Administrator
        March 12, 2024 at 7:17 am

        How is saponification any more natural than sulfation?

        • PhilGeis

          Member
          March 12, 2024 at 7:21 am

          Maybe Mike can explain - neither seems “natural” to me.

    • mikethair

      Member
      March 12, 2024 at 10:18 pm

      Hi @Perry44 , what we do is add a strong base (KOH) to olive oil to produce potassium olivate. And yes technically, this is not “natural.” But in my opinion is more natural than many of the other synthetic surfactants used in cosmetics. And, potassium olivate does not have any negative effects on health, which may not be the case with other synthetic surfactants.

      And you ask “How is saponification any more natural than sulfation?” Not any more natural, but saponification is a lot more easily managed by our artisans.

      • Perry44

        Administrator
        March 13, 2024 at 8:09 am

        We just disagree. From my perspective the synthetic detergent you use is not any more natural than Sodium Lauryl Sulfate which is derived from coconut oil. If you were truly natural you would only use saponins as your detergent. I think it’s disingenuous to call your products natural when they only exist due to human induced chemical synthesis.

        • Meet

          Member
          April 9, 2024 at 3:06 am

          It is derived from coconut oil but after going through 3 chemical processes i.e. Hydrogenation of coconut oil to Lauyl alcohol and then Ethoxylation of it then producing SLES but in the process it is contaminated with an 1,4 Dioxane which is a known carcinogen, so it is probably less safe than pottasium cocoate as it is a single esterification process which is only one step without any contamination.

          • mikethair

            Member
            April 9, 2024 at 3:12 am

            @Meet yes, I would agree.

          • ketchito

            Member
            April 9, 2024 at 8:58 am

            You need to define what is safe (what toxicologist consider as risk and exposure). Consider that 1,4-dioxane not only is present in ppm, it is water soluble and volatile. So, it’d only pose a risk if you drint the product, but in normal cosmetic use, it’ll either go down the drain without having any effect for consumers, or will evaporate (in case of leave on products), again without any effect on consumers. On the other hand, soaps have not only a high pH but also free alkali, which impairs people’s lipid barrier (this has been shown in different studies). So, this is what toxicologists took into account to don the safety assessment. To the case of contaminants, unless you’re in a lab doing a controled synthesis, you’ll always have some byproducts. In real life, even the water you drink has contaminants (check some specs and you’ll be amazed), but they are at such low level, that they don’t pose a risk. On the other hand, pure deionized water will for sure cause nasty tummy issues. Just saying.

          • Perry44

            Administrator
            April 9, 2024 at 2:56 pm

            You’re arguing something different than my point. My point is that saponification is not more natural than the process used to make SLES. In your way of looking at it, I would agree there are less steps, but that doesn’t make it more “natural”. It is still a man-made process that requires synthetic chemistry that isn’t produced in nature. They are both synthetic compounds.

            I also disagree with your assessment of the safety of the ingredient and will defer to toxicologist opinions.

      • Meemcha

        Member
        March 13, 2024 at 11:10 am

        Which synthetic surfactants have negative effects on human health and what are those effects exactly? And how does potassium olivate with its pH not have negative effects on health of the skin?

    • fareloz

      Member
      March 13, 2024 at 7:01 am

      Hi Perry!

      Are there any rules on the forum?
      I see the OP all over the forum promoting his brand. Is this allowed?

      • Perry44

        Administrator
        March 13, 2024 at 8:11 am

        There are limits. The two posts prompted a worthwhile discussion so I didn’t take them down. He is also a longtime contributor to the forum & I appreciate his different perspective. But yes too much self promotion without prompting discussion will get removed.

  • Meemcha

    Member
    March 12, 2024 at 10:42 am

    Literally any face wash with mild surfactants, decent amount of superfatting agent and pH 5-6 is more skin friendly than this all-natural pH gazillion thing.

    • mikethair

      Member
      March 12, 2024 at 10:07 pm

      Hi @Meemcha a bold statement of yours as you have never tried this product. We sold this face wash globally, and mostly (90% of production) as a Private Label product for global brands. It sold very well, and even now one year after I stopped producing this product I still have requests from customers and brands.

      • PhilGeis

        Member
        March 13, 2024 at 6:34 am

        Claiming sales of a product familiar here to no one here but you is not much of an argument when products of the type Meemcha described are sold at huge volumes globally.

        I’d also like to hear the defense of “natural” for this product.

  • Abdullah

    Member
    March 13, 2024 at 12:58 am

    Is it water thin?

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