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  • Availability of surfactant having alkaline nature

    Posted by ashish on August 4, 2023 at 5:21 am

    Any surfactant is available having alkaline in nature? Please suggest. Final application would be rinse off hair care product.

    PhilGeis replied 1 year, 3 months ago 5 Members · 10 Replies
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  • PhilGeis

    Member
    August 4, 2023 at 7:56 am

    Do you refer to stability? Finctionality?

  • mikethair

    Member
    August 4, 2023 at 5:49 pm

    We saponified coconut oil for our shampoo, and the pH was around 9. This provided both stability and functionality. At pH 9.0 we had zero microbial issues.

    • Abdullah

      Member
      August 4, 2023 at 10:33 pm

      Is it better to saponify an oil or specific fatty acids for functionality and price?

    • PhilGeis

      Member
      August 5, 2023 at 10:31 am

      Surfactant solutions at pH 9-11 are susceptible to microbial contamination.

      • mikethair

        Member
        August 5, 2023 at 4:36 pm

        Not in our experience.

        We manufactured these products for two decades and exported them globally to various brands under our Private Label activities. Zero contamination was detected in the testing done by these global brands and their associated labs, and samples tested my cosmetic compliance authorities.

        Our production facility included an on-site microbial lab. And in two decades, there was zero microbial contamination detected in retained samples tested for up to two years after manufacture and beyond.

  • ketchito

    Member
    August 4, 2023 at 10:43 pm

    Do you mean basic? In theory all anionic surfactants that start with sodium or potassium are basic salts. I think you should focus more on the stability and performance of the surfactant at your working pH.

  • PhilGeis

    Member
    August 6, 2023 at 1:51 am

    Mike - your experience does not limit microbial contaminaton and some of the bugs that contaminate are not readily detected and products not accurate evaluated by routine methods. From liquid laundry (Halomonas and Pseudomonas aeuginosa) to liquid cleaners (Pseudomonas aeruginosa) to soap (Nesterenkonia) - recalls and publications document susceptibility of higb pH products..

    • PhilGeis

      Member
      August 6, 2023 at 4:26 am

      and all thse products were released based on in spec micro content testing

    • mikethair

      Member
      August 7, 2023 at 5:15 pm

      That well may be the case. But after two decades of no microbial issues being detected by our in-house microbial testing and the testing done by our international Private Label customers and cosmetics authorities in their respective countries, I’m comfortable.

      • PhilGeis

        Member
        August 8, 2023 at 5:46 am

        It indeed is and as we’ve discussed, one of the bugs that characteristically contaminates soap is not readily detected by media used in conventional testing. Consumer contamination is another matter for which I understand few have the understanding and resources to address this aspect. of product risk

        The larger issue is this - alkaline pH short of 11+ is not a barrier to contamination.

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