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  • pH drop in emulsion

    Posted by DandyFormulator on July 25, 2014 at 7:55 am

    What would cause a pH drop by about one point in an emulsion? It is stabilized by carbomer/TEA. Is this a sign that it is destabilizing? All other parameters are in spec.

    marryjoy6374 replied 6 months ago 5 Members · 6 Replies
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  • MakingSkincare

    Member
    July 26, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Can you give the full formula in %? It’s hard to troubleshoot without this.

    • marryjoy6374

      Member
      May 27, 2024 at 10:13 pm

      Hmm, a pH drop in an emulsion stabilized by carbomer/TEA could be concerning. It might indicate some underlying issue like ingredient degradation, microbial contamination, or loss of TEA. Even if everything else seems in spec, it’s worth investigating further to ensure the stability and effectiveness of the product

  • Chemist77

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    July 28, 2014 at 12:13 am

    Check the microbial profile, it brings the pH down if there is any contamination. Or maybe the acid component/carbomer of your formula was not completely neutralized and now on standing the alkali has reacted with acidic components bringing the pH down.
    I cant think of 3rd reason without knowing formula profile.

  • DandyFormulator

    Member
    July 28, 2014 at 7:49 am

    Hi All!  Sorry I wasn’t able to get back to you until now.  Here is the breakdown of the fomrula:

    Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer 0.1 (not actually a carbomer)

    Arnica Extract                                                  0.1

    Cetearyl Alcohol & Polysorbate 60                6.0

    Polysorbate 80                                                  4.0

    Methyl Salicylate                                               10.0

    Vanillyl Butyl Ether                                             0.4

    Glyceryl Stearate                                               3.0

    Isopentyl Diol                                                      2.0

    o-Cymen-5-ol (preservative)                             0.1

    Ethylhexylglycerin (preservative)                      0.75

    AMP (sorry - not actually TEA!)                        0.09

     

    The formula started out at a pH of about 7, and over 2 months has dropped to about 5.7.  I don’t understand.

     

  • Bobzchemist

    Member
    July 28, 2014 at 9:25 am

    It happens - that’s why we do stability tests. Have you considered using a pH buffer?

  • DandyFormulator

    Member
    July 28, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    That is my next step, Bob. I was just wondering if anyone has seen this type of thing happen in an emulsion, and is a pH drop like that a destabilization route? 

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