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Why does having What a lot of rice bran wax cause instability, what other high hlb emulsifiers do you prefer
and isn’t peg-40 and polysorbate 80 a emulsifier with a hlb of 15?

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I tried using peg-40 hco instead of poly 80,
6% peg-40 hydrogenated castor oil and 2% polyssrbate 80. The washability was not as good as it used to be, you have any tips on how to improve the wash? Maybe adding other emulsifiers?

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You recommend polysorbate 60?

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I might also use some peg-40 hydrogenated castor oil instead of polysorbate 80

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It is the SE version btw

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I was trying the formula again, using less EO, but it did not work, I first added the preservative and that caused the seperation. Upon further reading I discovered that phenoxyethanol and ethylhexylglycerin is not compatible with a high amount of polysorbates, so that can cause the instability ->http://makingskincare.com/preservatives/. I may have to switch to another preservative. Do you have any suggestions?

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I will try again using less essential oil, at 1%. I am using polysorbate 80. How much oil would have been apropiate? How do you see there is too much oil?

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waterphase:
water 
glycerin

oil phase:
rice bran wax
cetylalcohol
hydrogenated castor oil
castor oil
apricot kernel oil

essential oil
preservative 12

emulsifiers:
polysorabte 80 and glyceryl stearate

the hlb matches the oil phase, if I go above 16% rice bran wax my emulsion does weird things. Also consider that this is a o/w emulsion with the oil phase being around 25% of the whole formula. But I should also note that during mixing somehow it wouldnt mix either, I saw no even white color even some yellowing.

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Thanks for the help guys, made a stable emulsion!

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Hello what did you mean by  homolog array? The molecule size/length?

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I tried using different percentages of peg 7 glyceryl cocoate and peg 40 Hydrogenated castor oil, is it also appropiate to use cleansing agents in hair pomades to make it easier to rinse?

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Is Phenoxyethanol and Ethylhexylglycerin also another good option instead of Parabens?

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I tried the same formula and I noticed that it started seperating when adding the spectrastat, I will give parabens a shot. They are also way cheaper.

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I have often used those ingredients without any seperation, but I will try that out and do you have other suggestions?

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Then I will get a better mixer thank you.

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The gums were too sticky for me and made the application horrible. So I switched to carbomer. So we can say that kaolin and bentonite do not have influence on the pH of the emulsion, because they are water insoluble?

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I find it really hard to believe that clays can influence pH levels without dissolving. But I give it a try with and without bentonite and see how I like the finish.

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I emulsified the product around 85 degrees celsius.

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The HLB of Polyglyceryl-4 oleate is 5

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I use candelilla, carnauba and hydrogenated castor oil. Does 3 days apply to these waxes?

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Thx for the help guys!

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I’ll look at it 

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Ah that’s too bad to hear man , the thing with petro and lanolin is that it keeps grip in your hair for a long time, I was wondering what other ingredients have this attribute but it seems nothing has it

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I don’t think so, are there any other alternatives? I have also heard castor wax can be a good option.

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I’ve also heard that cocoa butter can be a option but i dont know for sure so i’ll try that one out in the future