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Glycerin…huh.

This interested me because I remember this KY Warming ingredient list as follows:

Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, Maltodextrin, Honey (Miel), Methylparaben, Sucralose

Interesting they both happen to have honey. Or could that be a factor?

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Misquote: the source said 20.6-21mm range…?

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I found one source that said 20.8mm? Typo?

I also measured some cologne bottles of my own: they averaged in the 17-19mm range which is odd because:

A) none of them were dead on (even +/- a millimeter).
these numbers are in between two “standard” points.

Anyone know which size(s) crimped neck are most prevalent? (United States, if that helps)

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@Pharma, so repulsion falls under two main categories, steric and electrostatic, right? 

What are the other [main] forms of stabilization and can you some them up in an equally beautiful paragraph?

 

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Pharma (woo woo!), Pharma (woo woo!)

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Cheap Chinese homogenizes are know the be very shitty and highly unsafe. Many reports have been posted here about them overheating, breaking, flinging parts across the room etc. You get what you pay for in this case. 

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Very interesting. I was certain it was simpler than that. Wouldn’t the gelatin dissolve into the saliva and this, leave the product? Same for CMC? Both are highly water soluble if I’m not mistaken. 

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To add: this wax doesn’t need to be overly sticky or anything complex. It’s actually not dense at all and once rolled into a ball, isn’t sticky but just dry matte smooth. 

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Okay, I’ll take the bait:

Then how are most formulators utilizing [elemental] sulfur in their formulations (at the 1-10% rate)? It’s just micronized and suspended?

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And what are you trying to achieve with the W/O emulsion? I can’t think of a commercial W/O product with a physical sunscreen.

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Please explain further.

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Why isn’t salt working? HEC can work.

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You’re saying the liquid carrier is separating from the waxes/pigment?

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Makeup packaging is known to be expensive. I believe the industry standard is about 1:1 but I can see luxury packaging going upwards of 4:1, packaging:makeup.

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How to work around them? You’d need to be specific about what you’re trying to prevent from growing. And the conditions you’ll be preventing them under. 

Phenoxyethanol fights different guys than potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, etc. 

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Oh, interesting. 

Is that also the reason sunscreen looks purple on deeper skin tones sometimes? 

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Here’s an alternate formula that I believe appeared glowing blue but turned transparent on dry down:

Acrylates/Ethylhexyl Acrylate Copolymer, Water (Eau, Aqua), Retinol, Ascorbic Acid, Tocopherol, Ceteareth-25, Propylene Glycol, PEG-60 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol

Could this more complicated list potentially result in the effect described?

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In theory, opacifiers alone will slightly lighten the formula. Swap the yellow oils, add titanium dioxide and a little bit of blue, you could get to white-white.

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Cyclomethicones do in fact evaporate so they’d likely be of little use to pressed powder.

You’d definitely need to be more specific with your needs to find additives that may help you formulation. Ideally with formulation ingredients and percentages. 

Lowering the oil/liquid binder content may improve creasing. 

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Have you considered additives rather than changing your oil selection?

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So a polyol like propylene glycol is not an option? 

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ifamuj said:

ngarayeva001 said:

Aristoflex AVC and some very light ester.

Your best ester picks would be?

This is so subjective, it would be hard to say. What are you looking for most in an ester?

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Maybe I’m oversimplifying… could the salt just be to reduce eye irritation?