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Even if you deliver before Christmas, how can she sell before Christmas 🤔 so, if you want the job, you can do it (i assume you already have the formulas and all, you only need the flavors, i don’t think you can customize now though) but i don’t think she can sell for the Holidays.
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Hi, if you are not limited by the budget and don’t have HA in the formula already, i think HMW HA is the best choice. If you don’t want to raise the cost, Xanthan Gum. you don’t consider polymers? Sepimax Zen? it depends on your formula though
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what about aging? most bar cleansers need to air dry to harden properly. I am not a DIYer but I’ve seen people making this and they always let it “age”, it’s like when you make biscuits dough if you leave it outside it just loses its water and harden. It might take one week. (you still got approx. 2% water that needs to evaporate)
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Hi, I’m seeing surfactant powders, butters and LOT OF CAPB (which is 65% water), i imagine this mix as magic sand dough (kinetic sand) at first but, did you age it? for how much time?
why don’t you incorporate some fatty alcohol to give more body to the bar? beware of the “gooey” feel when left in shower
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Hi, i have more of an opinion than a “solution”. People choose the cream/stick version of deo to avoid irritation from alcohol in sprays, and you want to make an alkaline potentially irritant cream deo :/ why? plus, lot of people don’t mind using deo cream with “powdery” finish, it makes them feel dry. i personally used to adore “Rexona” cream deo twist and apply it leaves white powder (silica) that feels good throughout the day and smells incredibly clean (and ruins dark shirts ;( )
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have you solved it? i was suspecting the speed in case everything else remains the same. I know that you can break your emulsion if you upscale from lab to factory when you increase speed and don’t adjust the emulsifier’s concentration (higher speed= smaller intern phase droplets= bigger Surface T.= more emulsifier) maybe you need a thickener for you ext. phase… Keep us updated
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Are you sure it’s the a-arbutin? try it without the hyaluronic acid to check. For the ingredients you gave, i don’t see potentiel precipitation (Except for maybe the HA with something else)
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How many “production scale” have you done? have you prepared an intermediate pilot batch when upscaling?
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Can you tell you more about the formula? what do ou put along the a-arbutin
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Hi, I am Dr. Aifa Soumia, Pharmacy Doctor and cosmetology specialized entrepreneur based in Algiers, Algeria but i can work worldwide. I have formulated for many companies as a freelancer and launched my own line. At my laboratory we have everything needed to develop professional formulas, do stability tests and even help you with new ideas, worldwide tendencies and even marketing.
*Products i work with: Body Hygiene, Cleansers (Face, body, Hair..), conditioners (Face, Body, Hair..), Skin care, Hair care and styling, Fragranced products…
Just tell me what you want to do, the regulations you have to follow, your products claims and values, and we will make it happen 🙂
You can reach me on soumia.aifa@outlook.com or on WhatsApp at +213774420432
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From what i understand your client provided you with the product formula and asked for the same results, did they provide the %? did they impose the same RM supplier? i mean, with 100% of the same data as the previous manufacturer you SHOULD get the same final result. otherwise, something is clearly missing (inexact formula +++) keep us updated
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Maybe you are using too much of the Belsil. Have you read the Datasheet?
*Recommended use levels of BELSIL<sup style=”font-family: inherit; color: var(-bb-body-text-color);”>®</sup> DADM 3240 E in shampoo formulations: 0,8 % to 2,5 %
*The emulsion should be formulated at temperatures below 35 °C
*BELSIL<sup>®</sup> DADM 3240 E needs to be stirred well before use.
Per my philosophy, you want Belsil, you do Belsil, you can find a way 😀
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As far as I know the Shikakai Plant can foam and has been used since ever as a natural shampoo in India and neighboring countries. Now i don’t know about the regulations for these products there, are they obliged to list the full ingredients list? if yes then there you have it, the little foam coming from the cleanser is from the Shikakai.
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Another thing i failed to mention, hand wash has citric acid i used to buffer, but not the shower gel since it doesn’t need any
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Hi, thanks for your reply!
Well, we purchased the FO like any other manufacturer, we started experimenting with the hand wash, it turned out great! then they got FO for Shower gel production too based on that. I didn’t sus my Polyquat7 because it has no odor to it though. Lamesoft smells on it’s own. the final product (shower gel) smells like raw SLES, although it’s the same SLES i use in the hand wash ..
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well, i tried the fresh walks too 😝
yes of course, i will bring him to justice, here !
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hi, thank you for your reply. Yes, you are getting closer to the answer i think, because i suspect the Lamesoft (the Glyceryl Oleate part) and i tried to do that screening and proceed by elimination, but it wasn’t able to determine the difference between them .. my nose is saturated ( i make reed diffusers and body splash at the same time xD)
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Hi, thank you for your reply. The issue is not in the FO since it perfectly works for the other product, i was wondering if the 3 ingredients or the salt may have impacted the final smell, are they known for this or not. PS: i use a ready F. oils given to me so i can’t change them. thanks again !!!
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sodium cocoyl methyl taurate thickens with salt, have you tried some? you have aslo Hydroxyethylcellulose and gums, since the client want to go more “natural” that’s all that comes to mind
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i don’t think you understand my question, It’s Ok, English is my 3rd language and sometimes it’s not perfect 😅. Thanks for your valuable advice though.
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So the emulsion didn’t break, you just ended up with different texture? as the previous comment stated, maybe it’s the cooling down. (When working with emulsions, i prefer not to skip intermediate upscaling because you always end up with different results in factory comparing to lab due to the complexe emulsion’s structure, lot of parameters to consider)
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@Graillotion Thank you!!
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believe me i am a big fan of internet, but i couldn’t find a satisfying answer 🙁 that’s why i started the post with “weird question” because i can’t seem to find an answer! where i am based, we don’t have to mention these on the label as Allergens, but we must list every single “ingredient” we put in the product, other than that we follow EU regulation. for the scented products I’ve made in the past, i just add Frangrance oils (provided by the client) and mention “fragrance” on the label, some manufacturers do the same, but some put linalool and such so i wonder, did they put it just to be more “EU compliant” or it’s a raw material in its own right.
Hope you could grasp the dilemma 😓
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From the “Apple juice” not INCI name ingredient i will say this is indeed an incredible product 😝 i will honestly avoid using it/ copying it/ recommend it!