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Thank you all, I will try that!

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What does as supplied mean?  I just used 2% CAPB in the formula. Thanks!

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Thank you both!

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@Perry Thank you for your advice. I appreciate it!

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Can anyone offer me advice on why my conditioner formulation is not moisturizing and does not have slip? Do I have too many oils? Or it is just lacking the ingredients previously mentioned in this discussion?

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@Perry Thank you! What usage rate of those three ingredients would you suggest to provide good slip for detangling? I typically use BTMS-50 at 3-4% and centrimonium chloride at 2% in rinse off formulas. I’m ordering some Behentrimonium Chloride, hopefully it will improve the slip of my conditioner.
I read that shea butter and other butters can make conditioner have less slip and detangling ability in this forum. I reformulated my original conditioner formula that was oil and butter heavy hoping to increase the slip but after trying the new version the slip was not still not there and my felt dry after rinsing. How do you think this product is able to have such good slip even with the oils and butters? Could the Cetearyl alcohol and Cetyl Alcohol contribute to this? I’m just trying to find out why my conditioner isn’t working well.

This is my LOI for my formula:

80.80% water

3.00% honeyquat

3.00% btms 50

2.80% CETAC 30

2.75% cetearyl alcohol

2.50% daikon seed extract

1.00% virgin coconut oil

0.85% pumpkin seed oil

0.50% dl-panthenol

0.90% fragrance
1.50% optiphen

0.10% shea butter

0.10% mango butter

0.10% vitamin e

0.10% rosehip seed oil

100.00%

I appreciate any additional guidance.

@ngarayeva001 Thanks! I will look into getting a cationic guar - is there a specific one that you would recommend? Is Honeyquat comparable to Polyquaternium 10? I have Honeyquat and use it at a rate of about 2-3% but haven’t noticed much conditioning from it.