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Sponge said:

You’re saying the liquid carrier is separating from the waxes/pigment?

yes transparent white liquid is leaking from lipstick tubes

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Pharma said:

Probably isododecane. One thing you could do is changing the casing so one doesn’t see the droplets any longer or switch out isododecane.

Do you have any pictures? Did you remove the casing with the drops and let it sit to see if all the oil really evaporates?

i found one issue i added castor oil in lipstick base. that is not compatible with dimethicon 1.5 may be this was the issue dimethicon seperating from base and the evaporating from lipstick tube.

what i did i removed castor oil from the base and added dimethicon 100 instead of castor oil.. hopefully issue will resolve. 
secondly do let me know i adding vitamin e bit now base is free from any natural oil just adding dimethicon 100

dimethicon 1.5
isododecane 
cyprylic capric

candelila wax

carnauba wax

cetyl alcohol

micro crystalline wax

these are the base ingredients

do i still need to add antioxidant? 

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i started adding flavours to my lip gloss and lip balms. what i do when all heat phase done and i remove the beaker from heat  then i add flavour or fragrance while cooling down the product all is well so far

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PhilGeis said:

Tocopherol is a good idea.  Some use parabens to prevent mold.   TKB Cap 2 (glycols and phenoxyethanol) would be good vs bacteria esp. Gram negative bacteria.  A wax based lipstick is not much of a bacterial risk, and those are are poor vs fungi. 
Perhaps consider just a paraben.

thank you so much for guidance i will keep these points in mind and i will switch to vitamin e tocopherol only. will stop using preservative in lipstick

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Zara said:

I always use them up to the expiry date. I don’t believe 100% oil/wax products needs preservatives. I was making lip balms a few tears ago and never added one, just vitamin E and Rosemary extract. 

thank you dear for guidance i think i should add vitamin e only

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PhilGeis said:

Sale does not require preservative per se.  Is it  classic wax based product? 

Re. TKB, think the exp would be for the material meeting its own spec - so within that period it should be as intended.

yes i make wax and oil based lipstick. mostly when we see market bought lipstick ingredients they also add preservatives like parabens on list. 

i have tocopherol as well. i think that is enough to add in formula so my oils dont go rancid. am i right? 

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PhilGeis said:

Ask TKB for an ex. date.  If they can’t/won’t respond, do not use their products.
Are you sure you need a preservative in a lipstick?

yes actually i sell them so i add lip safe preservative in my Lipstick formula. expiry was one year. i bought in last December..so i wanted to ask can i still add that preservative as December is just started or i should buy new one 

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rodb1958 said:

google ‘lipstick break test’ it is a thing and there are instruments dedicated to it. otherwise, trial and error after adding additional wax. Try candelilla. Speak to Ross Waxes or Strahl&Pitsch for their recommendation. 

Thank you so much dear for helping me ❤️❤️❤️

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okarianna said:

The way I understand usage rates, is that your usage rate should be based on total weight of base.  If your base is 150 grams, TKB cap-2 should be 1.2 - 1.5 grams.  Personally, I don’t like TKB cap-2 because even at the lowest usage rate my lips get numb.  I found another preservative that I will be trying soon.

thanks for your reply. what preservative your found can you plz share so i can use also in my Lip gloss base 

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@ngarayeva001 so nice of you for guiding such way. you are so supportive. i am in making of lipsticks. and also i have changed my oils as pharma suggested to switch the grapeseed oil which was causing gumming and rencid within a month. now i am on to jojoba and castor oil. lets see whats happend this time. last thing if we overheat our Lipstick base while mixing colors. can it be the reason my lisptick got sticky and smells very bad within a month. 

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i will also buy predispersed pigments from tkb trading. i also added preservative cap-5 from tkb. but i came to know that cap-2 is for lipstick ????. i cant buy again as shipping charges are too too high. 

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@ngarayeva001 many thanks for ur guidelines. i am making lipsticks palettes i will try to use this (bubbling) titanium in making lipstick and will see the result. will update here as well. 

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@Pharma many thanks for reply. so i will consider these bubbles normal. 

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i used a steel spatula to mix titanium with castor oil

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now i am changing my oils to castor oil and jojoba oil only. rest waxes vitamin e and preservative added in the base

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@Pharma i tried making lipstick again. can it be the reason that i overheat my Lipstick base every time with colors. that cause rancid lipstick withing month or less.

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@Pharma thank you so much for ur help i will try again and update here. 

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@ngarayeva001 i i am using oil based lip safe fragrance which is used to be added in lipsticks to smell good. 

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@Pharma when i put those shade in fridge after making they never spoil or smell. but at room temperature after some days they get stinky and sticky hard as well. this issue is just with iron oxide shades. i have ordered high quality iron oxides and will experiment again

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@ngarayeva001 sorry to bother you again.. what is recommended,a flavour or fragrnace in lipstick. i am.usimg oil based fragrance

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@ngarayeva001 thank you so much for guidelines. i will follow it. will buy high quality pigments

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@Pharma can i use those iron oxide for eye shadow making ? or i should waste those iron oxides i have red brown and yellow. cant i use them for foundation mineral powder?

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@Pharma thank you so much for your guideline. yes i am facing this issue with iron oxides only. rest colors are fine. 

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one thing more i want to add.thos issue is with those shades which i am adding iron oxide colors. rest all shades are well. just those shades who are having iron oxide colors they smells weird and also get sticky and hard

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