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Thank you Bobzchemist. I’ll get started on Monday. Our lab and our production floor do not have equal cooling capabilities. My stability results are based on rapid lab cooling but I do have access to production material that was cooled based on our equipment limitations which is much slower and produces a thicker final product. I can re-evaluate for stability to determine if my problem is actually lab samples.
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Look into Intelligent Nutrients Hold Hair Spray as your benchmark.
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The suspension agent is Xanthan gum and the oil phase is 20% largely comprised of shea with about 2% oils and 4% cetyl/cetearyl. My pH is 7. The formulation does pass 3 cycles of freeze thaw. I can improve oven stability by increasing my cetyl cetearyl but then i move into a formula with an unappealing waxy feel.
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I’m a natural chemist and not a creeper hippie so to turn the conversation towards business. Aloe is sold preserved for the conventional market and unpreserved for the USDA market. I am USDA and shipping, cold storage, and RM reject due to mold and overall re-sanitization and preservation of Aloe is costly and difficult to be brief. Do my customers understand or pay more for this? No..they have no idea anything natural can be contaminated with mung or ever harm them because their education comes from crazy bloggers not concrete science. But as for being natural while at the same time a health concern…so is poison ivy..for Aloe it does carry actives through the lipid layer more efficiently than water…Depending on your formulation/preservative system perhaps this could be significant, I don’t know I’m not a lawyer oops I meant chemist ..wait I am a chemist now I’m confused… But ancient cultures have been using straight aloe since Adam (insert your first modern human here) with pretty decent results so the healing attributes are pretty widely accepted and Documented globally. Would I rather formulate with water? Yeah it is cheap and I dont have to wait for a late delivery…But my customers are not looking for that (insert label ingredient marketing insisted on here)They want as natural as possible based on the information available at any given time And my job is to be on top of it and accept the information available and figure out how to compound as “cleanly” as perceived possible even if that means to get rid of my main ingredients And find a new one equally as awesome. Hippocracy be darned we all do things we think are good only to find out how bad they are later (asbestos and washing your coal dust off with benzene which by the way you cant top either); when new information is available. Don’t attack the natural chemist using current information to formulate. We are no different than conventional formulators bringing new concepts into market. We don’t compete our audiences are just different with different life philosophies.
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Please note that the word “organic” is regulated and involves a good deal of organic certs and audits. “Made with organics” is not regulated but be sure to have your certs verifying authenticity. The word “natural” is not regulated and Eco Cert lists are a good place to find acceptable ingredients for global distribution but if you want to sell as a regulated product in the US please be sure to review NSF and NPA standards which do not always overlap with Eco Cert.
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In my opinion the best way to make connections with private label manufacturers is to attend trade shows and network. In the Us there are natural expo east and west. They are global shows and a great visit. Furthermore, i would be sure to begin investigating and securing your distribution channels now as this will be the main factor in getting your products to market and make you a more attractive customer to a private label compounder.
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I will be there. I am new to the forum. Our business and my experience is in USDA regulated skin care products; however some new private label opportunities are fairly conventional. I would love the opportunity to network.