PetalPoppet2309
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@MarkBroussard oh amazing! Lol
thank you all so much. Can’t wait to get my extra ingredients so I can try some things out!
I’ll keep you updated <3 -
@Pharma oh I see! I think I’ll stick with the unrefined butters and oils.
I actually can’t find anywhere that sells p-Anisic Acid, so I’ll just be using Glyceryl Caprylate. I’ve also found a supply of airless pump dispensers which I think will be much better!@ngarayeva001 ooh thank you so much, that list is really helpful. I hope that I can make a great product with all of your help!
So if I were to melt the butters and oils down, do I add the sterols at the same time, or at the cooldown stage? I presume the preservative is added during cooldown?
I know that I should have the products PET tested after I’ve gotten the formula right, do we know how many other tests are necessary to make sure my product is safe for sale in the UK please?
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Ok perfect! What percentage of p-Anisic Acid should I be sticking to in my formula please? It says 0.005% to 0.05%?
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Ok interesting! I will certainly order the sterols and the preservative and have a play with the formula. Do you lose any goodness through the refining process?
I’ve currently got cosmetic tins made of aluminium, but as that would introduce more water/bacteria etc into the formula during use I presume it would be wiser to use tubes. The consistency would have to be changed a fair bit, the first formula is fairly hard and I don’t suppose it would pass through a tube all that well. I would like at some point to take the nappy cream and the other products in my planned collection into stores, but that it likely a long way off yet! The big idea is to introduce “natural”, cruelty free products at a more reasonable price (in the UK, most of the current “competitors” are still fairly expensive!), so that people like me (those who are disabled/on benefits) can access them, and they can be sure that they’re using good quality products on their children. I want to be proud of what I’m making. -
Yeah I saw that there are worries over oleic acid being detrimental to very young babies’ skin. What would you suggest in order to make it easier to apply? I’m not sure parents would appreciate it being difficult to put on!
I was considering swapping the grapeseed out for something else because of the fact that it spoils quicker, but I suppose that wouldn’t matter so much with the preservative.
Providing that the balm turns out completely cruelty free (which is what I’m aiming for, besides it actually working to sooth soreness), I’m more than grateful for any suggestions!
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So this is the current thinking, it will likely be a different consistency than the first balm, but I’m ok with that. I just want to make sure there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with it, that it is safe.
40g Shea butter
22.5g Zinc oxide
19g Coconut oil
10g Açai sterols
7g Grapeseed oil (may change this out altogether for sweet almond oil or castor oil?)
1g Glyceryl Caprylate
0.5g Vitamin E oil -
Oh really? Brilliant. Now to redo the formula then! Thank you so much for everyone’s help so far, I really appreciate you being so patient with me.
With the Glyceryl Caprylate on it’s own, am I still looking at 0.6% in the formula? -
Hmm… I’ve had a good look around and there doesn’t seem to be any listings for glyceryl caprylate (and) glyceryl undecylenate. I have found a preservative mix of Caprylhydroxamic acid (and) glyceryl caprylate (and) glycerin, but I’m fully aware that must be an entirely different compound. The only Euxyl product I can find available to me right now consists of sodium benzoate (and) potassium sorbate.
I’m not giving up! Lol. -
Nothing on either of those, though I can definitely get açai sterols! How much more time would a preservative give the balm on average? I know that’s probably difficult to answer. Am I right that the balm would be good for about 3 months without one?
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I can get hold of Glyceryl Caprylate on it’s own, but I presume that wouldn’t be as effective?
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@MarkBroussard, sorry to bother you. I can’t seem to find anywhere to buy the preservative? It doesn’t seem to be available for sale under Lexgard anymore. Is there anything else I could use? I’m in the UK if that helps.
I would prefer to use a preservative so that the balm lasts longer than three months! -
Mark, you’re a lifesaver! Thank you so much. I will work out the new formula now and find out where I can get those extra ingredients.
@Pharma, thank goodness. Thank you admins! Now I’m not making myself look stupid lol.
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Pharma, that’s helpful, thank you. I’m in the UK, and there are a few for sure! It’s just something I am very interested in and I would like to do my level best in order to make the best product I possibly can.
I’m not a pharmacist and I’ve not had any professional training in cosmetic formulation or anything similar. When I found I had been added to the forum last night the pharmacist tag was already there
PetalPoppet2309 said:Yes, apologies, I added in a comment above that it is d-alpha-tocopherol. I haven’t worked with any of this before, so I am more than willing to learn! I’m not sure why it says pharmacist next to my name, I am absolutely not. Thank you for all of your help so far! -
Oh I understand it isn’t organic, and I wasn’t intending to market it as such. I was just trying to give everyone as much detail as possible.
I had done a fair amount of my own research into the market, but through my eyes as a consumer, not a chemist. I am likely to have succumbed to some amount of marketing about certain ingredients being “scary” and to be avoided at all costs, which is why I wanted to come here and discuss things with people who knew exactly what was and wasn’t bad for the skin.
I found that it was an emulsifier as I read into it, but the initial thought was that it may preserve somewhat as I had seen multiple ingredients in it listed as preservatives. I am likely to be wrong a fair amount of the time I expect!
I totally understand your opinion, 100%. I would love some formal training, but at this stage it may not be possible. Perhaps it would be better for me to work with an experienced chemist on formulas? -
Ahh that’s brilliant, thank you for those links. Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean at the end there. I shouldn’t be aiming for a natural or organic product? Are they inherently unsafe then? Thank you again.
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No problems. How would I go about gaining that experience? What isn’t harmless, a specific ingredient or the whole recipe?
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Yes, apologies, I added in a comment above that it is d-alpha-tocopherol. I haven’t worked with any of this before, so I am more than willing to learn! I’m not sure why it says pharmacist next to my name, I am absolutely not. Thank you for all of your help so far!
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I fully understand. I was a student midwife at one time and that doesn’t surprise me in the slightest lol. I’ve found this Olivem1000 available, would it work as a preservative? I have seen multiple components of this listed as being used to preserve?
Olivem1000 - Potassium Olivoyl Hydrolyzed Oat Protein, Cetearyl Alcohol, Glyceryl Stearate, Aqua, Glyceryl Oleate, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol
INCI - Cetearyl olivate, Sorbitan olivate
Is the consensus here that I should remove the bentonite clay altogether and add a preservative? -
I know that many of the more famous brands use mineral oil and the like, but there are certainly lots of brands who use similar things to those that are in my formula with hundreds of great reviews. It’s definitely something that lots of parents are moving over to, so your reply really surprises me! Like I say, I don’t want to harm anyone. What kind of allergies do they cause? Do we know why? Is it a widespread problem?
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Hi! It seemed to be something that lots of “natural” sites like to use to dry out bad rashes. Would you happen to have an alternative at all? Should I just leave the bentonite out completely? More than happy to take advice from you guys, I’m absolutely a novice
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Oh, I should mention that the Vitamin E being used is d-alpha-Tocopherol. Apologies!