MarkBroussard
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@mandyslaymanxo:
Here’s a simple answer to your question … there are a number of consulting chemists that can help you with your product development.
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Bob, you make the case perfectly for why there needs to be a legal definition of the term “Natural” so companies and formulators have clear guidelines to follow with a legal definition that one can rely on.
In most of the cases I have seen, the companies clearly included what they should have know was a synthetic ingredient … most seem to involve dimethicone.
I think the FTC will end up taking the lead on this issue as the lawsuits are centered on false/deceptive advertising.
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Actually, in a way this is a good development. Companies that are currently selling greenwashed products are going to have to consider the implications of false advertising and the possibility of class action lawsuits. Perhaps a consensus or legal definition of Natural will be developed which will bring clarity to the issue.
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Thank you all. Very helpful.
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Well, the other issue that factors into this is intent. If a company follows a certification guideline … say, NPA, using only NPA or EcoCert certified ingredients, you run very little risk of being caught up in a situation like this as you can establish clear intent to use only natural products.
Now, if you knowingly include synthetic ingredients and still claim 100% Natural or All Natural, there is clear intent to make the claim knowing that was not the case. From the article that Mark posted, the companies had to have known that they included synthetic ingredients in their formulation, yet still advertised as 100% Natural or All Natural.
The other issue is using an ingredient like Benzyl Alcohol, which can be either synthetic or from natural sources. The people filing these lawsuits only know that you have Benzyl Alcohol on your LOI, they don’t have any way of knowing whether it is natural source or synthetic.
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The FDA has an ongoing comment period on the definition of the term “Natural” … Hopefully, a clear definition will emerge in the near future. I’ve seen labels claiming the product included Ethylhexylglycerin from “natural sources” which is clearly a misrepresentation. If the ingredient is not directly derived from plant extracts, or is chemically modified post-extraction, it is not “natural” by the commonly understood definition.
Note that the companies that have been called on the carpet on this have products that clearly included synthetic ingredients.
Agree, the only real protection you have is to get the product certified by the NPA or one of the established certification bodies.
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Many thanks, Bill. That is very helpful.
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The “hole” in the patent is that it only covers Ascorbic Acid, not other forms of Vitamin C … so you can use Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate or any other form of Vitamin C, all of which are more stable than Ascorbic Acid and you’re not violating the patent. These forms of Vitamin C are stable in the pH range 6.0 to 7.0.
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The main claim of the patent is that the combination of Ferulic Acid and Vitamin E stabilizes Ascorbic Acid below pH of 3.5, so it’s not just the pH range that is covered, but the combination of Ferulic Acid, Vitamin E and Ascorbic Acid.
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You are aware that Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) + Vitamin E + Ferulic Acid at pH below 3.5 is a patent-protection formulation?
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I’ve used Weber Flavors on a couple of projects.
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Couple of issues here:
(1) While you might consider your creation “unique” others may not. But, then, perhaps it is since you have not given any details about what your unique product is.
(2) Look for companies that may have a similar line of products and this would be a good extension to their line.
(3) I think your best bet would be to move forward with your marketing efforts and prove that your unique product is something that consumers like and are willing to pay money for. That will maximize your value.
(4) The problem with cosmetics is that once you start selling your unique product and your LOI is on your label … it becomes fairly easy to knock-off. So, if you do not have a patented product or idea, you’re taking a risk. But, some companies will pay for the speed to market of a developed product as opposed to trying to knock it off if your price is reasonable enough.
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Try test driving a Mercedes Benz … if you have a reaction, then you can be certain that you are allergic to anything that has a name with the letters BENZ when they are in that order.
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If you continue to have problems with Polysorbate80, you might try Seppiclear G7 (Heptyl Glucoside) or PolySugaMulse D9.
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Or, you could just use Iselux Ultra Mild and supplement it with a high foamer such as Oramix CG110 from Seppic.
Iselux® Ultra Mild Innospec Performance Chemicals -
INCI Name:
Aqua (and) Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate (and) Cocamidopropyl Betaine (and) Sodium Methyl Oleoyl Taurate (and) Lauryl Glucoside (and) Coco-Glucoside
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These are amusing stories.
I had a potential client who wanted me to make an “addictive” lip gloss … Her partner was an attorney.
I’ve had clients reject using ECOCert ingredients because they did not like the way the name of the ingredient looked on the label.
And, I’ve had a potential client quiz me about my spirituality prior to deciding if they wanted to work with me or not. Thank goodness I did not have to hum Mantras to Buddha as I made the samples.
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It looks like they are relying on a combination of ingredients that have weak antimicrobial activity or preservation boosting properties hoping that the combination is robust enough.
Leuconostoc Ferment Filtrate (definitely a Preservative), Glycerin, Honey, Willowbark Extract, Calendula, Sodium Phytate
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Hyaluronic Acid at !% is going to be quite viscous and at 2% will be so viscous that you won’t be able to pull it out of the bottle with a dropper. And, it is quite expensive. HA at 0.7% will give you a nice serum.
If you want to increase the amount of HA, use Cassia Angustifolia Extract … Hyalsmooth from BASF which is water thin at 1.3% with 0.7% HA powder. That will give you a nice serum.
But, you must measure with a scale … the “tip of a spoon” is fine if you are making it for your own use and you really don’t care exactly what % your using.
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If you include some Liquid Castile Soap at about 4% you will notice an improvement in the sensorial … it will reduce that “squeaky-clean” sensorial without killing your foam and allow you to cut down on the glycerin. That would also allow you to eliminate the Polysorbate and the olive oil.
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For GSB, you really need to use a homogenizer at 70C to get it to stay in solution. This preservative is much easier to work with in creams and lotions.
I think you’re getting hung up on using a particular ingredient as opposed to moving on taking the path of least resistance with an equally effective preservative that is much simpler to use.
I honestly doubt whether the Guar cares much if you add it to 70C water or room temperature water and heat it up. You might be better off if you make a slurry of Guar in Glycerin to pre-hydrate and add that slurry to the heated water phase.
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GSB has a tendency to crystallize out of solution if you don’t really pound it in first. You might try adding GSB to water with no other ingredients, heat to 70C with homogenization, then add the other ingredients.
But, the simpler approach would be to use a different preservative.
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Try the natural fragrances from http://www.carrubba.com … they are available as water-soluble or oil-soluble options. With your formulation, use a water-soluble version … you do have to use them at higher concentrations than other fragrances … as high as 2.0%, but they are a breeze to incorporate into any formulation, particularly the water-soluble versions which do not require a solublizer.
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MAP is most stable at pH 6.0. You may experience more rapid oxidation at MAP at a pH of 5.0 than at 6.0. As with any Vitamin C or derivative, they will oxidize/discolor at any pH over time. It’s more a matter of just how quickly the MAP oxidizes, not a question of whether or not it will oxidize … it will under any condition, just more rapidly under certain conditions than others.
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Yes, you can purchase BTMS from Charkit Chemical
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@MikeM:
“This person has the following qualifications;
BSc(Biol Sc), MSc(Applied Human Nutrition), Somatology, and is confidant that this can be achieved without the use of any chemical substances.”
If this person is so confident that it can be done and they have these “impressive” credentials … Don’t you find it interesting that they are not doing it themselves?Simply tell your client that what they are asking is not possible.