MarkBroussard
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Do you have any specific LOI’s that you can provide? Post them here and I’m sure several of us can show you how to decipher the ingredient or combination of ingredients that are giving this effect. Although, my money is still on Liptickleate.
Is there any cinnamon in any of the products you’re looking at?
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Have you tried Liptingleate?
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70% or 90% IPA works just fine. Just dip your glass equipment and other small items into an alcohol bath and let them air dry.
If you want to be super cautious, run your glassware and small items in a dishwasher and then dip them in the alcohol bath.
For larger pieces of equipment, spray everything down with IPA and let air dry.
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No, that’s all marketing hype. Gems and stones won’t do a thing for your skin.
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No, you don’t, but if you don’t file a complaint with the FDA, your competitors may go years with improperly labelled products before anything is done by the FDA.
The use of the term Organic in the sunless spray tan market is rampant. And, not one of these products contain a USDA Organic Certification seal and not a one of them complies with UDSA Organic requirements regarding allowed ingredients. Yet, they’re all over the marketplace.
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Generally, the FDA responds to complaints that are filed as opposed to randomly scouring the Ingredient Labels of products … they simply don’t have the staff to do that.
That’s why you see so many product labels that do not comply with FDA labelling requirements.
Take a look at all of the “Organic Sunless Spray Tan” products out there. HINT: It is virtually impossible to create an Organic Sunless Spray Tan and there is no such thing as Organic Certified Dihydroxyacetone. Yet, the claims of Organic are pervasive. That’s just one example.
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A water-based Face Mist formula can be created in as little as a couple of hours. If you include Stability Testing and Preservative Challenge Testing then you’re looking at at 60 to 75 day process. If you are confident in your preservation strategy, you can start your PCT once you’re two weeks into Stability Testing. Depending on the ingredients you choose, particularly if the are all water-soluble so you don’t need to include solublizers, there is very little that can possibly go wrong with a water-based Face Mist.
There is absolutely no reason why a cram should take 12 months to develop. That should be a 12 to 16 week process including Stability Testing and PCT.
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You mean this is not acceptable?
Caprae Lac (Organic Goat Milk from our favorite Goat, Baha, who we milk daily while performing tantra massage to eliminate stress hormones in the milk and we feed only hand-harvested Organic Grass )
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You’ll need to replace the EDTA with Sodium Phytate. I don’t have time to check your formula, but if you cross-referenced your ingredients with the NPA allowed ingredients list and/or with the ECOCert list and all of your ingredients were on one list or the the other (most of these Natural Standards lists of allowed ingredients are virtually identical, with some outliers), then you should be in good shape.
The fact that you included Disodium EDTA … well, cross-reference against the lists if you want to be sure.
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Well, I think the whole “everything we make is formulated and manufactured by as at our farm in Vermont” is probably the most misleading statement in trying to position this as an enterprise that is “farm to bottle” when that is obviously not true, nor really possible.
I think the consumer’s understanding or expectation is that all of the ingredients are derived from natural sources, primarily plant-based or if from some other source, say ZnO, as you pointed out, minimally process & modified only to the extent that is necessary.
For instance, they are highly likely not to be aware that an ester that is not natural per se (meaning it is not derived directly by an extraction process without further processing), but is derived synthetically by an approved esterification process/reaction directly from a precursor molecule that is derived by an approved extraction process from plant (botanical) source material.
I think in the consumers mind “Natural” and “Botanical” and “Botanical Sourced” are pretty much one and the same. But, I think that can also extend to minerals, for instance.
When a consumer reads “synthetic chemicals” I think their understanding is that the neither the chemical ingredient itself, nor it’s precursor molecules were derived from botanical sources, but from the petroleum chain or chemically processed using non-botanically derived solvents, etc.
They may not be so consciously aware of this, but if you tell them XYZ was derived from coconuts as the original source material, then they understand that some processing was required to convert it into the end ingredient.
This is a Brand issue of building trust with the consumer. That’s why following the Natural Standards are important … it gives consumers the feeling that someone is looking out for their best interests in evaluating ingredients and the processes used to create those ingredients.
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My pleasure! … Glad to hear it worked for you @Doreen81
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All of the Natural Standards developed their lists of allowed ingredients taking into consideration and defining the types of extraction processes and chemical reactions that are acceptable for an ingredient to be certified Natural under their program. They all also provide a list of certified ingredients. If you stick to the lists of Standards-allowed ingredients, you don’t have a problem.
The term “Natural” is already baked into the public lexicon … it’s what has been marketed to consumers for years and what those consumers understand, so that’s not going to change. It’s even been used as the basis for class-action lawsuits.
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Just Google NPA Certified Cosmetic Contract Manufacturers or contact NPA directly.
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If your formula is completely developed and ready for manufacturing, drop a line … I can guide you to a contract manufacturer who works with client-developed formulas without any of the issues you referenced above. But, your product needs to have been stability tested and PCT.
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Neat Phenethyl Alcohol is quite expensive and it really isn’t that soluble in water. You can try incorporating it at 0.6%, but you’ll probably need to use a solubilizer.
If you dilute it in propanediol or pentylene glycol, that would also help.
The pH range is 3.0 to 8.0 and it is not heat sensitive.
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@DAS:
I’ve used ColaMid CMPA from Colonial (CocamideMIPA) and it works just fine, but you do have to heat to dissolve it.
However, I find it easier to used StepanBlend FF40 (Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate (and) CocamideMIPA (and) Cocamidopropyl Betaine) which is a fine liquid blend with MIPA and you don’t have to heat.
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The key to expediting the whole process is to use a Contract Manufacturer who is already NPA-certified.
As Mark noted above, following a defined Natural standard, like NPA, is the best approach as it eliminates any uncertainty and even if you don’t have the product NPA-certified, in a court of law or dealing with the FTC, you can always point to your compliance with NPA.
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The price is actually $500 per formula for NPA members and $1,250 per formula for non-members. It isn’t expensive to join NPA.
But, being natural is is like being beautiful … it’s time consuming, it’s painful and it can be expensive.
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I would not underestimate the power of the words “Natural” or “All Natural” from a marketing perspective. Those are significant differentiators. If you just follow something like Natural Products Association guidelines, you have nothing to worry about. You can even have your products NPA-certified.
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No, this formula would not be considered Natural as you have ingredients in your formula that are Synthetic.
If you want to develop a Natural formula, follow the guidelines of the Natural Products Association. Here’s the list of Allowed Ingredients … if it’s not on the list, don’t put it in your product if you want to claim Natural.
https://www.npainfo.org/App_Themes/NPA/docs/naturalseal/Updated%20Illustrative%20list%20v122110.pdf
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@DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ
Thanks for asking, Dr. Bob. I was very, very lucky regarding the hurricane … my biggest problem was that I could not buy Buccatini at the supermarket and I could not ship/receive samples & ingredients for a couple of weeks.
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You can use Silver Citrate combined with Linatural Ultra-3 (from Lincoln) for the Rose Water (or most any of your products for that matter). The components are Phenethyl Alcohol (from Rose and it has a Rose scent), Pentylene Glycol and Propanediol and it has a broad pH range, but always best to use Citric Acid to get your pH below 6.0.
Yes, you can add a preservative to the Rose Water if it is not preserved, no problems.
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Hops have been know to have antimicrobial qualities for generations … that’s not new knowledge. Companies are just trying to come up with new natural preservatives, of which Hops is one component of the blend.
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From their website:
“These work great at achieving their aim, but a lot of our “customers”prefer products without parabens. We worked for over a year to develop a preservation system based on Hops Extract. All our creams have now been checked for preservative efficacy using the British Pharmacopeia test. We are very proud that we are probably one of the first companies to develop this natural and edible anti-bacterial system into our creams.“
The laughable thing is that despite the claim that they “worked for over a year to develop a preservation system based on Hops Extract” … they then paired the Hops with … P-Anisic Acid and Pirocotone Olamine! … LOL!
That shows you how much confidence they have in Hops as a preservative. Really, it took them a year to figure out that combination. SMH.
The marketing hype strategy is simple … just make up stuff that is bold and audacious, but not illegal, and then repeat it and repeat it and repeat it in all of your marketing communications and product materials.
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I think the Hops is mostly marketing hype and the actual bulk of the preservative is coming from the Piroctone Olamine … but, it’s a good story. I would suggest that the Hops is at best a preservative booster and would not pass a PCT on its own.