MaidenOrangeBlossom
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This is a milk, not lotion. You would use a solubalizer or very low viscosity emulsifier like scleortium gum. Its not very stable but it works in my sunscreen milk. My most unpopular product. I’m not sure why, its so luxurious. Milks are super skin care products.
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One of my favs the secret to all amazing perfumes
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Not a stable formula for the reasons others listed.
Xanthan gum (0,52%) Thickens and helps stabilize but not at this quantity in this formula and without an emulsifier, always try to dupe an existing recipe first before creating your own (benchmark)
Glycerin (3%) OK I actually use double but can be sticky
MCT (triglycerides) : 11% OK but a little on the high side, you need a butter too
Stearic acid (2%) OK or you can use a butter which contains steric acid, there is a reason why all lotions contain 3+ types of lipids
Cetearyl alcohol (2%) Only enough if you add an emulsifier, this will thicken as well is a co emulsifier
Butylene glycol (2%) Never used don’t know what it is
Perfume (0,6%) fragrance can be used up to 1% depending on what type and how sensitive the product is etc but I usually use a fraction of what you use…
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This is my exact recipe. Its more of synergy than just ratio or ingredients. This deodorant makes the nicest lotion bar but worked well as a deo of course. Anything under the arms does feel a little sticky so you can add more powder than I did, I did about 4+ trials before this one. I still need to tweak it. But this gives you an idea of how simple the recipe can be. You can simplify it even more. I don’t have much experience in making deodorant bars so maybe someone else will know more. Some people are sensitive to corn starch but shouldn’t make a difference. Rice starch is more expensive.
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This reply was modified 3 weeks, 2 days ago by MaidenOrangeBlossom.
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Cetyl will improve glide, so does the right combinations of butters and
oils. I wish my recipe was better but overall it is powdery though I
would add a few percent more and adjust the oil to a bit less. Getting
glide from wax/oils is excellent but from my experience its very tricky
to get the exact ration down so cetyl does most of the work for you.
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There are legal limits to menthol and camphor so you can also add eucalpytus and peppermint to not only disguise the scent and to add a cooling effect without the sting.
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PS. Anything under arms will generally feel sticky, its fairly common. So you do have to experiment and be realistic. As long as it does what it says it does is the key.
Recipe A:
- Sunflower Oil – 55.1% VERY HIGH
- Shea Butter – 4% A LITTLE LOW
- Carnauba Wax – 2% OK WHEN PARIED WITH FATTY ALCOHOL
- Hydrogenated Castor Oil – 2% ELIMINATE
- Cera Alba (Beeswax) – 8% MIGHT BE HIGH BUT RATIO OF OIL MATTERS
- Tocopherol – 0.2%
- Zea Mays (Corn) Starch – 20% EXPERIMENT WITH 22%-30 for comparison
- Sodium Bicarbonate – 8% YOU CAN LOWER SLIGHTLY FOR SENSITIVE SKIN
Recipe B:
- Sunflower Oil – 53.1% LOWER SUBSTANTIALLY
- Shea Butter – 4% CAN INCREASE SUBSTANTIALLY but optional
- Carnauba Wax – 1% INCREASE TO 3-5% to compare
- Hydrogenated Castor Oil – 1% NOT NECESSARY
- Cera Alba (Beeswax) – 8% MAY BE TO HIGH
- Rice Wax – 4% NO NEED FOR MORE THAN ONE WAX will increase tackiness
- Tocopherol – 0.2%
- Zea Mays (Corn) Starch – 20%
- Sodium Bicarbonate – 8%
You can add clay, another powder like rice starch or mag hydroxide
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Its overall not a stable recipe. For a powdery feel and better glide, a fatty alcohol/cationic surfactant will help significantly. Wax when mixed with the wrong ration of oil creates “petrolatum”. Which is why it’s not gliding.
I would use only one wax, increase butter and lower oil as a start and add a fatty alcohol.
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I use 10% niacinamide in my hyaluronic acid serum. But its a good start. I think witch hazel and NAG are good for acne too. But from experience you don’t need to add a million ingredients to make a good product.
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Essential oils and I was given a free sample of jasmine wax, its so luxurious. Really incredible. The scent is so strong and remains so strong that I have to triple wrap it other wise I can sleep. I also use it in skin care for sensitive skin that can’t tolerate essential oils and it seems to work very well. You need to little.
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I’ve only made essential oil perfumes because alcohol can give me a rash. Solid perfumes are very nice. You can use floral waxes to increase the longevity of the scent. It fixes scents very nicely.
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You made a good lotion bar. But when I create shampoo bars that fail I use it for dishes or skin. This makes a good skin conditioning soap.
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that vegetable glycerin precipitating because lack of proper stability
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Kokum has a high level of steric and there is a lot of powders to soak up the water based ingredient so along with cetyl, it is stable. Not sure how or why without a solubalizer or full emulsifier. It mixes right up. And its so hard that it sets immediately without precipitation.
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I think it is SCI, not SI. Its been working on my face so far and it works incredibly well on dishes. But I’ve decided to use soap nut instead. If you’ve ever used it, its incredible. I am not sure what the chemistry is behind it but its been my secret for decades.
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I’m going to order it soon. But I am using snow mushroom and betaine which is supposed to be more hydrating than hyaluronic acid.
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Its not always or usually better, but when it is it is surprising. For example a gentle cleanser I use from Pacifica, the top ingredient is a known irritant for eczema and its marketed as a sensitive skin cleanser. Some of the $50 hair masks don’t perform half as well as mine does and without silicones that mask how it is not performing over time. I get why chemists say these brands have the best and brightest scientists that ever walked earth but they are constrained by their boss who is not a chemist or even motivated by long term performance. The ingredients I use aren’t expensive and even then the profit motive of companies are so blinding they are focusing on claims based labeling which over time is cheaper than using the cheap ingredients that I use. That’s why Amazon entered the handmade market, they knew people wanted quality were willing to buy handcrafted products. Although the handmade markets now are no longer handmade.
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As a beginner formulator I am constantly surprised by how my formula’s out perform the best sellers. I could never market my product to bigger sales platforms because of obvious reasons (needs a better preservative system and some technical things I’m still learning) and being ugly, but the profit motive is huge.
Also I know that a lot of large corporations have posed as etsy customers buying my items. Things that I have used for a decade or longer have been duped. Its like how small jewelry sellers are duped by huge brands like Urban Outfitters. It sucks but mine is still better lol.
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Would tremella be as effective?
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I’ve added it to my leave in conditioner since my labels were already designed. The designer charges $50 for each change. But its such good information. I do add other hydrating and anti frizz ingredients which is likely why it worked so well but I do want to take my formualtions to the next level and this is definitely it. There’s anhydrous betaine on amazon that I think will work, someone else here uses it too.
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OMG I’ve never heard this, do you have more information? I use it in everything but I did have two customers who said they can’t use it but I never knew why. Is this for all hair types? The past few weeks I’ve been trialing a limited ingredient shampoo and conditioner bar, it did its job but did not feel nice at all while using it and after my hair dried, it wasn’t as effective. So I slowly added in the extras and it was much better but not as perfect as my old recipe. It was ugly, didn’t sell well but those who bought it would say it was the best. I think I am now using only 2% vegetable glycerine with sodium hyaluronate which appears to calm frizz but now I’m not so sure.
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There didn’t used to be a benchmark because I began using it over 25 years ago, its only been the last year that I actually saw a bigger company create an ACV scalp product. But now that there is I might be able to reverse engineer it. I wish I had access to real data though and resources galore.
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It is. A lot of the professionals here have said that these companies employ the best of the best but I’ve found that some of my homemade products work so much better, I couldn’t mass market it without hiring a scientist…its just not in the budget. With illness and housing issues I have to learn through experimenting and getting tips here.
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Its the only thing that works for me but I’ve heard most people need to dilute it significantly. I’m not sure why 100% ACV works on my scalp but anything less is less effective. It would be a rinse off formula. Leave in for x amount of time before shampooing. I can leave in for days. I experimented with not using it and diluting, but at least a 60-90% strength seems to work best long term. But I would be formulating for other people with different scalp and hair conditions so I’m not sure the most ideal strength for this purpose.