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Thanks for the input! I added a little more dimethicone and it took care of it. Only other issue I’m having is a little bit of static. I’ve been experimenting with ph between 5.5 and 3.9. The lower ph was a little bit better with static but still had some that was a little annoying. Anyone have any ideas that could help? Appreciate it!

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HamBone99 said:

I just listened to a Beauty Brains podcast that Valerie talk about her favorite Quats. Episode 321 at about 30 min. 

Fantastic, thank you!

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Abdullah said:

For thin hair SPDMA+fatty alcohol 

For thick hair BTMS+fatty alcohol

Thank you!  Do you ever use behentrimonium chloride or always prefer btms?  

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Abdullah said:

For what type of hair?

If you have any preferences for certain hair types/conditions, would love to read about all of them. Thanks! 

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Paprik said:

BTMS - Cationic ; Stearic acid - Anionic
You should not mix those two together. Remove Stearic acid, increase Cetearyl alcohol and see. 

Not sure how much you heat your formula and when you add Cyclopentasiloxane but it is volatile, so .. I guess no point to have it in it? 
(Perhaps if something “survives” the heat it might get trapped in the bar and work .. not sure. You will probably have batch to batch changes)

Perfect, thank you for the great advice! Will take out stearic acid. I heat melted ingredients to 160 f and then remove from heat, add all other ingredients minus the Cyclopentasiloxane and then add that right at the very end. I’ll try it with and without to see if it’s making a difference. Thanks!

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Paprik said:

Hi, I am happy to share snaps of my study text - 

Just a note, Dry hair is a condition in my opinion, not a type of hair. 
It’s possibly damaged and needs to be repaired - proteins, polyquats, etc … 

Hope this helps a bit  

This is helpful, thank you! 

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chemicalmatt said:

With a strong anionic system such as that, you are best off with Polyquaternium-7. Doesn’t take much either even though it’s supplied at 10% active.

Thank you! I have some on hand so I’ll try it out. 

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ketchito said:

@kellymila The Behentrimonium in your BTMS could potentially react with one of your anionics, forming an insolue compound that deposits on hair and weighs it down. Could you try one sample wothout BTMS? 

Yes, I’ll try that, thank you.  

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PhilGeis said:

Can you get Aw?

forgive my ignorance, what does Aw stand for?  

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PhilGeis said:

What is the effective water %?  Can you get an Aw?

I have a moisture analyzer.  Testing a finished bar that’s hardened for a week says it has 3.06 % moisture content. 

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ozgirl said:

Another word of caution. Make sure you are wearing respiratory protection when using the SCI powder. It is very irritating to the respiratory system.

Thank you, will do!

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Paprik said:

I am a bit worried about you mixing anionic (SCI, Stearic acid, SLSa)  with cationic (BTMS). Especially if you will melt it and pour it. 
You can probably reduce Panthenol, it only adds to the cost and will be washed down the drain. So will probably the extract.

The main ingredients would be anionics, P-7 for conditioning and … yeah  

Thank you!  I will keep this all in mind.  Waiting on a couple ingredients so once I receive them I’ll try both with and without the btms and see how it goes.    

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Syl said:

Your formula looks fine to me. Regarding cleansing, suds and moisturized feeling; those are variables; older people and some young people have dry scalp and need gentle cleansing, others have oily scalp, some clean their hair ounce a week or less, others have build up from too much hair products and need stronger cleansing.  It is unlikely that one shampoo formulation will fit all. You need to figure out what your target audience needs and adjust accordingly.

Thank you for your response!